Potential(High, Medium, Low) Topic

thewizard2
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Just wanted to add a few thoughts here on potential. Originally when the implementation first came out, I was absolutely against the idea. However, at the same time while it may have driven more than a few customers away, I could understand why this had occurred.

I suppose my biggest agenda is that there are sub categories for each level for potential, i.e. high low, high medium, high low etc. Especially at D-3, where you need funds for both FSS and recruiting, most teams don't have the dough to fork over for evaluations to determine the player's talent.

If a team has two open scholarships at D-3, plus maybe $1,000 for recruiting from post season incentives that equals to $6,000. However, it is in my opinion that even D-3 coaches should be able to recruit players from far away and have an easier time doing so, along with the cost of FSS and know what they are getting in regards to talent.

Often times, you can get average players(who turn out to be low average), that are close to maxed out half way through their sophomore years, but to me it doesn't appear to make a lot of sense.

Right now, through 10 games and 2 exhibitions, I have players who started out as "average", at the beginning of their freshman season's, who have gained only 1 point close to the halfway mark, which would suggest they are close to "maxing out". They are probably on the low end of the medium spectrum.

Anyways, it's most likely never going to happen, but would like some thoughts about keeping "high" "average" and "low" as it is or maybe possibly at least give more recruiting money with each respective division. Maybe adding 15-20% to each division?
1/5/2010 4:30 AM
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D2 is about right, but D3 definitely needs more money. Or, at least the ability to only scout D2 and D3. It's silly for a D3 coach to pay for evaluations of a DI player
1/5/2010 6:37 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by alblack56 on 1/05/2010 D2 is about right, but D3 definitely needs more money. Or, at least the ability to only scout D2 and D3. It's silly for a D3 coach to pay for evaluations of a DI player

Or even just make the cost of long distance evaluations at D-3 more affordable.
1/5/2010 7:28 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By alblack56 on 1/05/2010




It's silly for a D3 coach to pay for evaluations of a DI player


Tell'em Al.
1/5/2010 9:09 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by alblack56 on 1/05/2010 D2 is about right, but D3 definitely needs more money. Or, at least the ability to only scout D2 and D3. It's silly for a D3 coach to pay for evaluations of a DI player

Right on
1/5/2010 12:32 PM
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I guess I'm confused why you guys think D3 should be able to recruit nationally. There are very few D3 programs in real life that do so. Take a look at D3 rosters across the country - most are exclusively in-state and bordering states.
1/5/2010 1:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 1/05/2010I guess I'm confused why you guys think D3 should be able to recruit nationally. There are very few D3 programs in real life that do so. Take a look at D3 rosters across the country - most are exclusively in-state and bordering states


In real life, D3 schools don't offer athletic scholarships. For a more realistic comparison, look at the better D2 programs. They recruit from all over
1/5/2010 3:41 PM
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2009-10 Grinnell Men's Basketball Roster
No. Name Pos. Ht. Yr. Hometown/High School
0 Jesse Ney F 6-4 Fy. Wellman, Iowa/Iowa Mennonite
2 Matt Skelly F 6-4 So. Phoenix, Ariz./St. Mary's
3 Xander Strek G 6-2 So. West Bloomfield, Mich./Cranbrook Kingswood
4 Garrett Nitz PG 6-1 Fy. Lincoln, Neb./Lincoln Southwest
5 John Bruns G 6-0 Sr. Bainbridge Island, Wash./Bainbridge
10 Joe Rogers G 6-1 Fy. Capitol City, N.J./Princeton Day
11 Griffin Lentsch F 6-4 Fy. Forest Lake, Minn./Forest Lake
12 Marques Valdez PG 6-5 Fy. Phoenix, Ariz./Brophy
13 Augustus Karisch G 6-3 Jr. Austin, Texas/Austin Waldorf
15 Aaron Epps G 6-0 Jr. Black River Falls, Wis./Black River Falls
21 Dylan Seelman G 6-1 Fy. Palm Beach Garden, Fla./Palm Beach Garden
22 Scott Kaitz G 5-11 Jr. Plymouth, Minn./Robbinsdale Armstrong
24 Dominique Bellamy PG 6-4 Fy. Chicago, Ill./Walter Payton
25 Matt Chalupa G 6-1 So. Overland Park, Kan./Blue Valley Northwest
32 Ross Preston G 6-1 Sr. Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla./Bishop Kenny
33 Brian McManamy C 6-6 Fy. Charlotte, N.C./Cannon
42 Alex McDonald F 6-4 Jr. Alton, Ill./Alton
44 Joe Fouche F 6-4 So. Oakwood, Ohio/Bedford
54 Kale Knisley C 6-7 Jr. Rockwell City, Iowa/Rockwell City-Lytton
1/5/2010 3:49 PM
thewizard2
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I think you'll find that some of the better D-3 programs will recruit nationally as well. Certainly most schools don't fit into this category, but a lot of that probably depends on the coach.

*Edited the word don't which was omitted.
1/5/2010 3:50 PM
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Georgetown (KY) College is NAIA, which is probably closer to our D3 here.

Their current roster has players from OH, MO, TX, OK, GA, VA, MD and 2 from NY.

Campbellsville College (NAIA) which is barely known outside of Kentucky, has players from Germany, Venezuela, Serbia, Lithuania, FL, AR, KS and two from CA

Kentucky Wesleyan, NCAA DII, has players from Slovakia, Jamaica, TX, LA, IL, IN, and TN
1/5/2010 3:54 PM
thewizard2
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Quote: Originally posted by isack24 on 1/05/2010I guess I'm confused why you guys think D3 should be able to recruit nationally.  There are very few D3 programs in real life that do so.  Take a look at D3 rosters across the country - most are exclusively in-state and bordering states.

You're looking at it from the wrong vantage point. It's up to the coach whether he wants to recruit nationally. It doesn't make a difference about my opinions on the subject. Why? Why not?
1/5/2010 3:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By alblack56 on 1/05/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 1/05/2010
I guess I'm confused why you guys think D3 should be able to recruit nationally. There are very few D3 programs in real life that do so. Take a look at D3 rosters across the country - most are exclusively in-state and bordering states.



In real life, D3 schools don't offer athletic scholarships. For a more realistic comparison, look at the better D2 programs. They recruit from all over
So what? They still recruit.
1/5/2010 4:08 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By thewizard2 on 1/05/20102009-10 Grinnell Men's Basketball Roster
No. Name Pos. Ht. Yr. Hometown/High School
0 Jesse Ney F 6-4 Fy. Wellman, Iowa/Iowa Mennonite
2 Matt Skelly F 6-4 So. Phoenix, Ariz./St. Mary's
3 Xander Strek G 6-2 So. West Bloomfield, Mich./Cranbrook Kingswood
4 Garrett Nitz PG 6-1 Fy. Lincoln, Neb./Lincoln Southwest
5 John Bruns G 6-0 Sr. Bainbridge Island, Wash./Bainbridge
10 Joe Rogers G 6-1 Fy. Capitol City, N.J./Princeton Day
11 Griffin Lentsch F 6-4 Fy. Forest Lake, Minn./Forest Lake
12 Marques Valdez PG 6-5 Fy. Phoenix, Ariz./Brophy
13 Augustus Karisch G 6-3 Jr. Austin, Texas/Austin Waldorf
15 Aaron Epps G 6-0 Jr. Black River Falls, Wis./Black River Falls
21 Dylan Seelman G 6-1 Fy. Palm Beach Garden, Fla./Palm Beach Garden
22 Scott Kaitz G 5-11 Jr. Plymouth, Minn./Robbinsdale Armstrong
24 Dominique Bellamy PG 6-4 Fy. Chicago, Ill./Walter Payton
25 Matt Chalupa G 6-1 So. Overland Park, Kan./Blue Valley Northwest
32 Ross Preston G 6-1 Sr. Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla./Bishop Kenny
33 Brian McManamy C 6-6 Fy. Charlotte, N.C./Cannon
42 Alex McDonald F 6-4 Jr. Alton, Ill./Alton
44 Joe Fouche F 6-4 So. Oakwood, Ohio/Bedford
54 Kale Knisley C 6-7 Jr. Rockwell City, Iowa/Rockwell City-Lytto
You cherry-picked one of the few schools that don't.

(1) Grinnell is one of the best regional colleges in the country academically.

(2) They have a visible basketball team from playing such a distinct style.

Very few teams are going to be as geographically diverse as Grinnell.
1/5/2010 4:10 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By alblack56 on 1/05/2010

Georgetown (KY) College is NAIA, which is probably closer to our D3 here.

Their current roster has players from OH, MO, TX, OK, GA, VA, MD and 2 from NY.

Campbellsville College (NAIA) which is barely known outside of Kentucky, has players from Germany, Venezuela, Serbia, Lithuania, FL, AR, KS and two from CA

Kentucky Wesleyan, NCAA DII, has players from Slovakia, Jamaica, TX, LA, IL, IN, and TN

NAIA isn't the same at all. As you mentioned, they offer scholarships. The focus at NAIA schools is on athletics. The focus on D3 schools, even very good ones athletically, is on academics. A lot of people use NAIA schools as a stepping-stone because they have lower academic standards.

I'll admit there is a difference between RL and WIS because of the scholarships, but most D2 budgets dwarf D3 budgets.
1/5/2010 4:13 PM
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Taking a look at the top five teams in the country right now:

1. Randolph-Macon (9 players from VA, 3 from NJ, 1 from PA, 1 from NY, and one from MD)

2. UW-Stevens Point (all players originally from WI)

3. Washington University - has national attendance because it is a top-20 University nationally (one of the very best all-around schools in the country)

4. UW-Whitewater (12 from WI, 4 from IL)

5. St. Thomas (26 from MN, 2 from WI, 1 from AZ)

These are the top five teams in the country and, at best, there is regional recruiting. Often, there isn't even that. The ONLY time I've seen that not to be the case is when a school is so strong academically that it can draw kids nationally (e.g. Grinnell, Wash U., Carleton, Macalester, NYU, MIT, etc.).
1/5/2010 4:33 PM
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