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jpmills3
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I just sent this ticket in. I am listed as a "keep looking" for the Arizona job, which was SIM AI last year and is currently a B prestige school. Simmy says its a "long shot" in some of his advice to me.

Admittedly, this sounds very whiny, but I am a bit peeved to say the least... Curious as to whether or not you guys think I am off my rocker.

"Given the nature of jobs apps, I would like this addressed quickly.

I am curious as to why I only get a "Keep Looking" for Arizona? My last 4 years go NT E8, PIT Champ, NT 2nd round, and NT 1st round (more recent listed first). In real life, there is no way I wouldn't get a legitimate shot at it. What more could I reasonably do to earn a shot at the big time? I took a D+ 200 RPI program to B+ 6 RPI in 6 years. I should be eligible for pretty much any job out there."

1/17/2010 11:27 PM
coach_billyg
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arizona is an elite school, if i remember correctly (meaning a+ baseline prestige). and you have fewer than 300 wins. i believe 200 wins is a huge mark in getting higher quality d1 jobs, from personal experience. so i would imagine 300 wins might be a fairly crucial point in getting the top tier of jobs?

also, if WIS is going to treat arizona like a kentucky or north carolina in terms of prestige, i have no problem with them treating arizona the same way in terms of the coaches who should be guaranteed the job, if no better applicant goes for it. in real life, a guy with an elite 8 loss, pit champ, nt round 2 loss, nt round 1 loss, without much experience, would probably be a long shot to coach kentucky or north carolina. so fundamentally, i don't object to WIS making you a long short to arizona. however, i do think after a world gets old enough, the threshold for getting those kind of jobs should go down, because the sim is such a terrible coach. no reason to drive those programs into the ground :O but all in all, i wouldn't get the pitchforks and torches out yet :)

sorry to hear your plight though, i'm sure arizona would find they made the right decision if they decided to hire you :)
1/17/2010 11:35 PM
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Billy - Your own Billy G got hired at Kentucky with way less than my above resume. Didn't go so well, but I am just saying...

I would think in real life, if somebody put together the above resume (and turned a terrible program), they would have the ear of almost any AD in the country. Not saying they get it, but they would be considered at least qualified...

BTW - nobody even really wanted the Zona job in real life last year... lots of people went the other way.
1/17/2010 11:42 PM
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I think we have all agreed at some point that some schools need to lower what they will accept for a coach, but that is mostly geared towards the mid-major teams. The teams where nobody ever takes them and they die from a B prestige to a C- before anyone is qualified that wants them.

I don't think that elites need to be lowered at all. I think you are close to the line of where you could be qualified but I think you lack total wins / seasons at d1 to be qualified.

Take a look at my Phelan resume, I was Keep Looking for Illinois the year before I actually became qualified. I think the way it works for elite schools is alright in the job hiring process.
1/17/2010 11:48 PM
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BTW - I appreciate the outside objective view billyg and z. just here for the conversation :)
1/17/2010 11:49 PM
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I do hope that this is something that seble will look into at some point, I hate seeing mid-major programs that a good coach builds up get killed by a simmy, when there are at least a few coaches who would love to move to the job (even if the conference jump was sideways) but can't even have a shot. Even if it was something where schools dropped their level of experience needed to qualify throughout the job change period. Maybe based on the schools current prestige and its baseline prestige?

1/17/2010 11:54 PM
jpmills3
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Certainly something has to be done to make mid-majors more accessible so they don't fall into oblivion when coaches leave. But it even happens to the elite schools as well. Zona, in the above example, has already been sitting with SIM AI for one season. If people like me are not eligible for them this season, then they will fall even further into the sim abysss.
1/18/2010 12:05 AM
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JP, i think billy hit the nail on the head with the 300 wins... and the fact that just one season ago you were in the PIT probably didn't help a lot, either, even though you won it.

In Naismith, ages ago, I was eligible for all but the 8 original Elites with nearly your exact resume.

If you're lucky, nobody who wants it will be eligible this season, and you can go for it next (with a great season).
1/18/2010 7:26 AM
jpmills3
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It must be the elite thing, as I am Step Backwards for Big 6 jobs with equal or higher prestiges. (once non-renewals came around this morning, there was more to see).

I had never heard of the 300 wins thing. That is a new one to me.

Though I kind of disagree on the PIT thing. While I am still waiting on a ticket response from CS, I think most people have found that a PIT Championship approx equals 2nd round NT, so that should have been looked at as that.

Regardless, I wanted Zona as a backup to another job. Hopefully I can still get plan A =)
1/18/2010 7:48 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By john_mills on 1/18/2010
Billy - Your own Billy G got hired at Kentucky with way less than my above resume. Didn't go so well, but I am just saying...

I would think in real life, if somebody put together the above resume (and turned a terrible program), they would have the ear of almost any AD in the country. Not saying they get it, but they would be considered at least qualified...

BTW - nobody even really wanted the Zona job in real life last year... lots of people went the other way.



jm, you have to stop making such a direct comparison to real life, and adjust your standards to HD. There are dozens of things that happen/don't happen in real life that are quite different here.

HD wants to see a certain amount of DI experience and success before being able to qualify for an elite program, and personally, I think that makes sense.
1/18/2010 9:10 AM
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I agree with you on the low/mids ... when a coach leaves one w. high prestige, they should be easier to qualify for than they are now, because they almost always fall to a sim. And unlike BCS programs, they're not still attractive once they've been sim-controlled for several seasons.

But for BCS programs, even if they have all sim recruits, someone is going to step up and grab them, so I don't think lowering the qualifications is necessary or favorable.
1/18/2010 9:12 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 1/18/2010
I agree with you on the low/mids ... when a coach leaves one w. high prestige, they should be easier to qualify for than they are now, because they almost always fall to a sim. And unlike BCS programs, they're not still attractive once they've been sim-controlled for several seasons.

But for BCS programs, even if they have all sim recruits, someone is going to step up and grab them, so I don't think lowering the qualifications is necessary or favorable.

Agreed.
1/18/2010 9:52 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by jpmills3 on 1/18/2010I just sent this ticket in.  I am listed as a "keep looking" for the Arizona job, which was SIM AI last year and is currently a B prestige school.  Simmy says its a "long shot" in some of his advice to me.Admittedly, this sounds very whiny, but I am a bit peeved to say the least...  Curious as to whether or not you guys think I am off my rocker."Given the nature of jobs apps, I would like this addressed quickly.

I am curious as to why I only get a "Keep Looking" for Arizona? My last 4 years go NT E8, PIT Champ, NT 2nd round, and NT 1st round (more recent listed first). In real life, there is no way I wouldn't get a legitimate shot at it. What more could I reasonably do to earn a shot at the big time? I took a D+ 200 RPI program to B+ 6 RPI in 6 years. I should be eligible for pretty much any job out there." 

I think you are getting screwed by the Good Old Boy Network. You are Like Lane Kiffin, but in Hoops Dynasty and with a tremendous track record, unlike Kiffin. Not off your rocker is my verdict.
1/18/2010 10:58 AM
jpmills3
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FYI - Customer Service said that it is experience. They said my success actually makes up for the lack of experience, but just not quite enough. For what that is worth - it is what it is. I suppose that "300" rule may very well be in effect then.
1/18/2010 1:04 PM
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I was qualified for some of the 10 baseline A+ prestige schools with 230 wins and 4 DI seasons after season 9 in Knight.
1/18/2010 7:06 PM
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