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traxman
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I'm looking for some ideas on how to compare players offensive numbers.

I've used a couple of systems and neither seems to work very well. My latest gave 20% weight to contact, 25% to both power and eye, 5% to speed and then 12.5% to both and right. I've also tried multipling the factors together.

I realize you may not want to give away all your secrets but any help is appreciated. You can site mail me if you like. I've been playing a few years now and don't seem to be getting any better.

Thanks

3/1/2010 12:58 PM
tecwrg
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I'd put more emphasis on splits. I'd also do a weighted average between the splits of roughly 60-65% vs RHP and 35-40% vs LHP.
3/1/2010 1:07 PM
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Most people agree that vR split is twice as important as vL as there are way more righty pitchers than y pitchers. Both splits are more important than contact. I don't have a system for applying weights like you do, but in order, here's how much I value hitting ratings.

1) vR
2) Power
3) eye
----- big drop off ----
4) vL
5) contact
6) speed/baserunning

You'll get a lot of opinions, but I have a feeling most people will agree that vR is more important than vL.
3/1/2010 1:09 PM
gjello10
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 3/01/2010I'd put more emphasis on splits. I'd also do a weighted average between the splits of roughly 60-65% vs RHP and 35-40% vs LHP
For the math challenged, the formula [(2 x vsR) + vsL]/3 is a simple, rough way to do a weighted average, though it probably undervalues vsL a tiny bit.
3/1/2010 1:13 PM
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I won't give you my supersecret formula but I would suggest having two ratings for each player. One vs LH, one vs. RH. Sometimes it makes no difference, sometimes it does. You'll quit throwing away that 72/48 split player because he can't hit righties. And, because he'll get some AB vs. righties anyway, you might find that he's worth keeping.
3/1/2010 2:08 PM
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Gee, what is the matter with results? You know like BA, OBP AND SAY HR's.
3/1/2010 2:42 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By moosep on 3/01/2010Gee, what is the matter with results? You know like BA, OBP AND SAY HR's
Nothing. But results aren't predictive like ratings are. That's the point right - to predict results?

And besides, to adequately tie results into ratings, you'd need lots data and lots of regression analysis, etc. In the end getting a feel for what the ratings mean is what you're after anyway....
3/1/2010 2:47 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By silentpadna on 3/01/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By moosep on 3/01/2010
Gee, what is the matter with results? You know like BA, OBP AND SAY HR's.
Nothing. But results aren't predictive like ratings are. That's the point right - to predict results?

And besides, to adequately tie results into ratings, you'd need lots data and lots of regression analysis, etc. In the end getting a feel for what the ratings mean is what you're after anyway....

The bottom line is results. If a guy has 20's all across but has a .400 OBP, well , I'll take him.
3/1/2010 2:53 PM
traxman
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Thanks for the help guys. I wasn't giving much emphasis to the splits and it looks like I should up the value of that.
3/1/2010 2:54 PM
MikeT23
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Sometimes people trade. So, if I had a hitter with all 20s across the board having what I'd consider a fluke season with .400 OBP, I guess I guess deal him to you for a nice price.
3/1/2010 2:55 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By moosep on 3/01/2010
The bottom line is results. If a guy has 20's all across but has a .400 OBP, well , I'll take him




I bet you're a really, really bad poker player.
3/1/2010 6:29 PM
tecwrg
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Quote: Originally Posted By moosep on 3/01/2010The bottom line is results. If a guy has 20's all across but has a .400 OBP, well , it's gotta be a 'tard world
3/1/2010 7:23 PM
gjello10
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 3/01/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By moosep on 3/01/2010
The bottom line is results. If a guy has 20's all across but has a .400 OBP, well , it's gotta be a 'tard world.
Or a reeeeeeeeeeeeally small sample size
3/1/2010 7:29 PM
moosep
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Without looking this player up on one of my teams, tell me what he is hitting by the following ratings:54-97-74-65-77. Average , OBP, and homeruns please.
3/1/2010 7:45 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By moosep on 3/01/2010
Without looking this player up on one of my teams, tell me what he is hitting by the following ratings:54-97-74-65-77. Average , OBP, and homeruns please.

Oops! He has been up 421 times. Sorry bout that.
3/1/2010 7:47 PM
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