runnin da fast break.... Topic

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Should distro be pretty even when running this offense? I read that distro works in this offense when the fastbreak is stopped. If it does not matter, will it work if I give like 2 or 3 players 75% of the distro?
4/25/2010 10:01 AM
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I've run nothing but FB since I started playing.(Naismith at York and the last 6 seasons at Limestone in D-II). It does matter(players with 0 distro won't take any shots except on offensive putbacks for example), but it really depends on the team as far as how flat you want it.

I generally keep it fairly even across the board, but give my better scorers a bit more distro and also base it off of +/- that the opponent is likely to play and what defense they play like with any distro.

One key after running it for awhile is to make sure that you recruit plenty of BH and SPD, because while FB gives you a better shooting% generally, you also end up with more turnovers than with most offenses, so BH and SPD can help counter that.

I also find it's effective to run it uptempo against a zone so that you beat the zone down the court more often.

4/26/2010 3:55 AM
jaggedendz
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Thx grantduck...
4/26/2010 6:36 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By grantduck on 4/26/2010I also find it's effective to run it uptempo against a zone so that you beat the zone down the court more often.

hmmm. obviously true in real life... are we sure it works that way in HD?
4/26/2010 9:07 AM
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Main reason I ever ran uptempo in the Break was to wear out another team that played its starters heavy minutes with greater depth. Other than that, normal seems more appropriate. At least to me. YMMV.
4/26/2010 9:20 AM
oldave
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ymmv?
4/26/2010 3:29 PM
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YOur Mileage May Vary.
4/26/2010 3:36 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 4/26/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By grantduck on 4/26/2010
I also find it's effective to run it uptempo against a zone so that you beat the zone down the court more often.

hmmm. obviously true in real life... are we sure it works that way in HD?





I read it in one of the HD instructions pages and have tested it out. Not enough teams run zone in D-III and D-II Naismith to have appropriate sample size, but from my experience in what I've recorded, I've had more success shooting % wise running uptempo against zones. My team last season couldn't run uptempo as effectively due to depth reasons and I struggled a lot more against zones, while being about the same vs. other defenses.

So buyer beware with that statement I suppose.

4/27/2010 2:50 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By grantduck on 4/27/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By oldave on 4/26/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By grantduck on 4/26/2010
I also find it's effective to run it uptempo against a zone so that you beat the zone down the court more often.

hmmm. obviously true in real life... are we sure it works that way in HD?





I read it in one of the HD instructions pages and have tested it out. Not enough teams run zone in D-III and D-II Naismith to have appropriate sample size, but from my experience in what I've recorded, I've had more success shooting % wise running uptempo against zones. My team last season couldn't run uptempo as effectively due to depth reasons and I struggled a lot more against zones, while being about the same vs. other defenses.

So buyer beware with that statement I suppose.

Are you talking about running uptempo with one of the 3 half court offenses, or running fastbreak?



-My original question to this thread was, does giving heavy distro to like 1 or 2 players running the fastbreak work just as well as all 0's?
4/27/2010 6:46 AM
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i think the best distro for a fb offense is not terribly different from other offenses.

i mean, the types of players who are likely to be great scorers in the FB may be slightly different than the other offenses, but ultimately you want to figure out who your best scorers are are give them the most distro.

that being said, i still dont buy into the bingball distro theory where 90% of the distro goes to 2 players.

but i certainly dont think that running all 0s is the way to go.

I think the reason some of these quirky setups seem to work is that 80-90% of the games are won or lost on talent alone. so you have to be watching really closely to notice the 3 to 5 games per season that are close enough for these gametime coaching decisions to matter. if you get a few screwy bounces of the ball that might even be one or two games. but, over the long run, the coaches that can make the right gameplanning moves will win the majority of these tossup games and will win a few more games per year than coaches who gameplan poorly or not at all.

ALTTWISI

4/27/2010 8:53 AM
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at least thats the way i see it
4/27/2010 8:53 AM
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i just noticed that you said 75% to 2 or 3 players... not necesarily bingball.

i guess i would just say that i wouldnt lock myself into a certain percentage like that. if you think you have three players that are miles ahead of your other players offensively, give it a shot. (hopefully you can figure it out without costing you too many games, but you do have to give it at least 3 or 4 games to let the highs and lows even out)

and then evaluate. are these guys able to shoot a good percentage with high distro? lots of players arent. on the flip side, are there players who you are giving low distro to who are shooting a high percentage? if so, i would look more closely at them and decide if they warrant more shots.

one last question... what makes you think that 75% of the distro to 2 or 3 players may be the most effective setup for your team?
4/27/2010 9:04 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By grantduck on 4/27/2010

I read it in one of the HD instructions pages and have tested it out.



i hope you are not talking about "compendium of hd offenses"

that stuff is absolute garbage. i cannot understand for the life of me why that is a pinned thread. my understanding is that it was written by a real college coach. okay. well , if you are trying to understand real life college hoops, then this may be a great read. but if you are trying to win at hd, skip it.

now, you did add that you had tested out the theory and found it to be a good strategy. that is smart.

i could definitely be wrong, but i remain skeptical of the "uptempo to beat a zone" theory. im not hating on grant, he is a good coach and may very well be right. but i , for one, am not ready to concede the issue , yet.
4/27/2010 9:15 AM
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I'm used to running the triangle, in which I'd run the slow-down against teams that were much better than me. This season I'm running the FB for the first time with my Metropolitan State team and despite the fact that my team is one of the worst in the conference, the only way I even have a shot in any of the games is a fast-tempo offense. I tried the slow-down and got shallacked.
4/27/2010 11:25 AM
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Yeah, Im running fastbreak for the first time at the DIV I level. I picked up Portland State which is a D prestige school, and that roster has 1 decent player SF. David Peterson or what ever his name is,to pretty much give all my distro to him. Thats why I started this thread.
4/27/2010 4:24 PM
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