Is there any rating which suggests whether a pitcher would be harder to steal a base against?

Does velocity and/or y/Righty play a role?

Or is it simply all on the catcher and manager settings?

Thanks

as far as I know, and I may be dead wrong, but I believe stealing, in HBD, is an interaction between solely the base runner and the catcher.

I am pretty sure in one of the dev chats that they said it's harder to steal against ies.

I once asked if it's harder to steal against pitchers with better velocity and they said there is no pitcher rating that makes it harder or easier to steal against them.

Quote: Originally posted by WiredTiger on 4/27/2010I am pretty sure in one of the dev chats that they said it's harder to steal against ies.

I seem to recall this as well.

i submitted a ticket once when i had someone steal home against me: men on 2nd and 3rd, RHP on the hill, just made no sense.. and this was their response:

"A double steal is rare. A double steal involving home is even more rare. A runner stealing home with a right-hander on the mound is even more rare. All of this happening to end the game is unbelievably rare.

We take everything into account (infield in, pitcher velocity, pitcher arm, situation, etc.) and the chance of anything happening is always above zero. This was just one of those once-a-season kind of plays. Very small chance of occurring, but it did. Sure would have been an exciting game to be at."

Quote: Originally posted by prezuiwf on 4/27/2010I once asked if it's harder to steal against pitchers with better velocity and they said there is no pitcher rating that makes it harder or easier to steal against them.

In real life this is not the case so I would imagine it would hold true here as well. "Flame throwers" are usually easier to steal against because they have longer windups and it takes longer for the ball to get to the plate. The reason many throw as hard as they do is because of their windup. When trying to steal pitchers with quicker motions make it tougher and "flame throwers" usually do not have quick motions, hence the power. I hope that makes sense.

Quote: Originally posted by chukc on 4/27/2010i submitted a ticket once when i had someone steal home against me: men on 2nd and 3rd, RHP on the hill, just made no sense.. and this was their response:

"A double steal is rare. A double steal involving home is even more rare. A runner stealing home with a right-hander on the mound is even more rare. All of this happening to end the game is unbelievably rare.

We take everything into account (infield in, pitcher velocity, pitcher arm, situation, etc.) and the chance of anything happening is always above zero. This was just one of those once-a-season kind of plays. Very small chance of occurring, but it did. Sure would have been an exciting game to be at."

Yeah. This sort of stuff sucks when it happens to you. I had a guy steal 2nd, 3rd and home on me, all during the same at bat, with a right-handed pitcher on the mound.

Quote: Originally Posted By sportsboy010 on 4/27/2010

Quote: Originally posted by prezuiwf on 4/27/2010
I once asked if it's harder to steal against pitchers with better velocity and they said there is no pitcher rating that makes it harder or easier to steal against them.

In real life this is not the case so I would imagine it would hold true here as well. "Flame throwers" are usually easier to steal against because they have longer windups and it takes longer for the ball to get to the plate. The reason many throw as hard as they do is because of their windup. When trying to steal pitchers with quicker motions make it tougher and "flame throwers" usually do not have quick motions, hence the power. I hope that makes sense.

That is why pitchers usually throw from the 'stretch' with runners on base! Very few throw from a full wind up with runners on base (VERY FEW). It means a little less velocity but helps lessen the jump the runner gets. Still, when a runner is on base, the hitter will see more fastballs (even from the stretch motion). Ball gets to the plate quicker BUT more importantly, less movement on pitch means it's easier for the catcher to catch the ball and make a quick throw.

As far as HBD, I believe it's the runner vs the catcher plain and simple.. nothing else. The catcher 'might' get a little something if it's a LHP. But I've never heard of it.

While it's unrealistic, because in real life, the majority of the bases are stolen off the pitcher not the catcher. Runner gets such a good jump, catcher has very little (if any) chance. When the pitcher can give his catcher a decent chance..often it results in an out.

Quote: Originally Posted By jtrinsey on 4/27/2010

Quote: Originally posted by chukc on 4/27/2010
i submitted a ticket once when i had someone steal home against me: men on 2nd & 3rd, RHP on the hill, just made no sense.. and this was their response:

"A double steal is rare. A double steal involving home is even more rare. A runner stealing home with a right-hander on the mound is even more rare. All of this happening to end the game is unbelievably rare.

We take everything into account (infield in, pitcher velocity, pitcher arm, situation, etc.) and the chance of anything happening is always above zero. This was just one of those once-a-season kind of plays. Very small chance of occurring, but it did. Sure would have been an exciting game to be at."

Yeah. This sort of stuff sucks when it happens to you. I had a guy steal 2nd, 3rd and home on me, all during the same at bat, with a right-handed pitcher on the mound.

Heh, I had a batter on my team do that once. He has 0 power but 100 speed; I consider that to be his only career "home run."

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