why would you half court press and fall back into man to man when all ur guys are Cs and Ds in press?? and all ur guys are As and Bs in man to man.

Does ur press rating not matter when u drop back into a man or zone that ur good at??

I've done it before and I think it can be a decent strategy. If you don't get the steal in the backcourt, you still have your real defense to stop them as long as they don't get a breakaway. When in a combo defense, the press doesn't matter once you're in man or zone.

P.S. !!!!!!!

Here's one I bet you didn't know. The half court press is designed to run in the frontcourt in HD. I was surprised to find this out just 2 weeks ago. All this time I thought it ran in the backcourt and then M2M.

It should be discussed here.

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A half-court press is in the front court. It starts around mid-court and in general traps take place around the corners of the front-court area. Obviously there are a million variations of it, but that's what I call a half-court press.
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Quote: Originally posted by tarzan on 5/16/2010the actual quote
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A half-court press is in the front court. It starts around mid-court and in general traps take place around the corners of the front-court area. Obviously there are a million variations of it, but that's what I call a half-court press.
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That's the first time I've heard this. Is it new to any long-timers?

I think it's just semantics. In the way CS is describing it, they are talking about 2 halves of the court. For example, the rules state "passing or dribbling from the frontcourt to the backcourt is a violation".

Quote: Originally posted by Weena on 5/16/2010I think it's just semantics. In the way CS is describing it, they are talking about 2 halves of the court. For example, the rules state "passing or dribbling from the frontcourt to the backcourt is a violation".

Right ... but you are pressing in the Front Court ... that is the from half court to the basket, not from under you basket to half court.

Eh whatever....CS may have used the wrong term, I would make the same mistake.

You are pressing the other team in their backcourt is perhaps what they meant.

I don't think so. It is a half court trap. That means the defense lets you cross half-court then looks to make a trap. What is so odd about that?

Quote: Originally Posted By tarzan on 5/16/2010
Here's one I bet you didn't know. The half court press is designed to run in the frontcourt in HD. I was surprised to find this out just 2 weeks ago. All this time I thought it ran in the backcourt and then M2M.

It should be discussed here.

That's not true, TZ. The quote is how Seble would define how he views it personally, not how HD views it. HD views it as a press in the backcourt, not in the front court. Seble thought a 1/2 court press is really more like a 1/2 court defense in the frontcourt.

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Posted by cburton23 on 5/17/2010 1:49:00 PM (view original):
I don't think so. It is a half court trap. That means the defense lets you cross half-court then looks to make a trap. What is so odd about that?

What's odd is, if that's the case, where does the M2M come in?

I know this thread is 2 years old, but I wanted to bump it and ask if anyone has tried HCP/M2M or HCP/Zone lately?  I haven't seen it work -- looks like it doesn't produce as many TO's as you would like and yet makes you foul too much.  But I've never tried it.  Thoughts?

Posted by jack_duck on 5/22/2012 3:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cburton23 on 5/17/2010 1:49:00 PM (view original):
I don't think so. It is a half court trap. That means the defense lets you cross half-court then looks to make a trap. What is so odd about that?

What's odd is, if that's the case, where does the M2M come in?

I know this thread is 2 years old, but I wanted to bump it and ask if anyone has tried HCP/M2M or HCP/Zone lately?  I haven't seen it work -- looks like it doesn't produce as many TO's as you would like and yet makes you foul too much.  But I've never tried it.  Thoughts?

If they break the trap then your team would fall back into a normal man to man. Thats pretty typical for most teams that play high pressure trapping styles. If the opposing team gets set up on offense then they will play a basic man to man defense for the rest of the possession.

blackdog3377, that's the way I understand it to function, too.  The question now is, is it effective?  I haven't seen anyone run HCP/anything with great success.  It doesn't seem to force many, if any, extra TO's...and of course there are obvious drawbacks to having to know 2 defensive sets.

I don't know if he runs it on all of his teams, but I know I've seen barrettchap run a combo D on some of his D2 squads with some very good success.