Close game, late innings, your pitcher due up in an obvious pinch hitting situation. Your opponent hits the sub button and just waits. No sub, no "ns" warning. Just waits until he figures you've looked away from the screen and then exits out of the substitution screen hoping you won't notice and your pitcher will bat. I guess if you fall for this more than once than it's your own fault, but how bush league can you get?

Name names.

I've had it happen to me once or twice and wondered if they really changed their mind or if the person on the other side was really that much of a **** wad!!

I agree with knee. If the person did it accidentally and apologized, that's one thing. If it's someone brand new, they might not know that hitting exit instead of set lineup doesn't allow time for the opponent to make a sub. If it's someone who has played more than one season, he probably knows exactly what he was doing and deserves to be called out. If it was a mistake, he can apologize and everyone will know that he now knows better.

But if someone intentionally prevents you from pinch hitting, that's plain and simple cheating. Let others know who the varmint is. That is not a tactic, it's cheating. Squeeze bunts, stealing a bunch of bases with guys who were 1-for-1, etc., upset some of us but can be defended. There's no defense for preventing the opponent from pinch hitting.

I'll name one name. StlPosse used to try that all the time. He's the only person whoever got me with it. The guy who did it today is someone I've played a bunch of games with and I have a tough time thinking he would have done it on purpose. If he does it again I will shout his name from the rooftops.

That is a good little trick. It can also be done if you want to get a steal off w/o your opponent holding you.

Yeah, I have had that and wondered if it was intentional or not. ...on the other side though, when I am not completely paying attention and see out the corner of my eye that a pitcher is coming up, I have hit the sub button. Realizing that it isn't my team (lol...although, that darn pitcher is on one of my other teams), I have to enter back in....but usually with a delayed...oops!, sorry...no sub

Without the delay, it is an annoying move and why ns or no sub become part of the on-line etiquette...similar to ...cough..not squeezing in a run with a regular lineup hitter...cough.

If you get back to the game by hitting Set Lineup, even without making a change, the other team has a second or two to react. If you do it by hitting Exit, the game immediately resumes.

lol....varmint??

to me one of the downfalls of the way the game is set up (and I doubt there is a way to fix it) that is totally unrealistic is stealing with the pitcher up-then if the steal is successful bring in a pinch hitter.

Would never, ever happen in real life but hey it is What If Sports

Good point szcz. Of course, that raises the question of why a manager wouldn't do it. Other than the fear of not managing the way everyone else has for 100 years, of course.

NO Josh....I am an etiquete Nazi and that move is fine. Everyone does it and so do YOU....LOL. That is the benefit for having that weak hitting SS that can run in the 8 hole. You know your running....I know your running ....everyone knows your running....why waste your Golden PH with 2 outs?

What i have seen that reminds me of the sneak attack of Pearl Harbor was Takami start a reliever in a game 7 of an LCS only to take him out after 1 innings and put a Righty in VS my Y set lineup. THAT IS THE GOLDEN NO NO in etequitte. Sorry Tak .....I will ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT ONE...)

Speaking of etiquette, how about when someone selects a SP and then you select yours and then they change their SP after you have locked urs in...thoughts?

I personally never do and have never knowingly done the "sub" tactic or whatever.

But to be fair, takami's tactic just sounds like good @ss'd gamemanship to me.

The SP switching thing I never really notice. I roll with my guy. Beat my guy, simple as that. IF I notice a guy starting a 200K scrub then I'll switch if I can. Any other time I switch is if I simply like started the wrong dude or whatever.

I used to use the sac-bunt ad nausem. Now, I only use it with the pitcher, and if you want to try it and possibly waste an out when the sim has really watered down sac-bunting, be my guest. Again, I chalk that up to gameplay.

Really, I don't have any problem how anybody plays. Beat me if you can, bring it. However, I don't like guys on chronically slow computers who are playing on weak-***'d laptops or have multiple windows open. That is annoying. But again, I still try and play.