I must say I never cared to much in the past about it either way because I never had to compete with them at D2/D3 but now at the low level D- in D1 they are always coming out to Arizona from the NorthEast taking away recruits. Its hard to compete for some of them because they are just good players not great player for my team.

When I am out in the middle of the no where in Northern Arizona I should be able to just about guarantee players that are around me. I just think that sim coached teams, at least at D1 should be locked into the local market like everyone else and not be going half way across the country all the time.

By the way there is only 1 D1 level talent with-in 100 miles and he has a D+ SimAI from the NorthEast.

I just think sim recruiting should be the next thing that gets overhauled with the new engine.

You know how horrid sim teams woudl be THEN?

So instead you penalize coaches way out in the boonies? I understand you need to keep SIMAI teams closer to the rest of the actual teams, but don't you think they are already complete losers? So doesn't that mean that their recruiting AI needs to be redone anyways?

Yeah, I think it would be an improvement if in the sim recruiting logic there was a preference to stay local. Not 100%, but if you had a sim Iowa State, it would have ~4 players on the roster from IA and around 4 from states bordering Iowa, and maybe 4 from somewhere else.

Out of all the complaints that I occasionally see, I think this may be the weakest one. You can beat the D+ sim, it's just not that difficult. Your statement of "I should just about be able to guarantee local players around me" is totally absurd. And FYI, I have a team in the Big Sky, I know exactly what you are and aren't dealing with.

That said, I do think DI sims should recruit most or all within 400 miles of their campus.

Allow me to correct: Unless you significantly improved their recruiting logic, limiting them to close by woudl make them REALLY bad.

Hence I said that they should redo the logic.

I know I can beat the D+ sim, I never said I could not. I am simply stating that if their primary recruit is the one that is 200 miles from me I would have to dump a lot more cash into someone when competing against a team that is not even close to around my area. I have no problem if they get the local boost even out to 800 miles and past that it would hurt them.

Also, if I am out in the middle of no where, why shouldn't I guarantee local players around me? You don't think that happens in real life? There is a trade-off though to having that exclusivity though, want to know what? Well its called only having only 1 player with-in 100 miles and 18 players with-in 200 miles like this year at N. Arizona.

I never said though that teams shouldn't be able to recruit nationally, just that simai should be toned down a bit. This can happen at other levels as well, but usually you have such a prestige advantage it doesn't even matter.

Also, dalt being a C+ when you started at Montana is not like starting at Northern Arizona with a D-.

In the end though I can still get the guy from them if I want to, just bothers me that the biggest part of this game is so overlooked for the SIMAI. It would be great to get some SIMAI that really do compete in the local market and know who to recruit for their teams.

Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 6/06/2010Hence I said that they should redo the logic.

I know I can beat the D+ sim, I never said I could not. I am simply stating that if their primary recruit is the one that is 200 miles from me I would have to dump a lot more cash into someone when competing against a team that is not even close to around my area. I have no problem if they get the local boost even out to 800 miles and past that it would hurt them.

Also, if I am out in the middle of no where, why shouldn't I guarantee local players around me? You don't think that happens in real life? There is a trade-off though to having that exclusivity though, want to know what? Well its called only having only 1 player with-in 100 miles and 18 players with-in 200 miles like this year at N. Arizona.

I never said though that teams shouldn't be able to recruit nationally, just that simai should be toned down a bit. This can happen at other levels as well, but usually you have such a prestige advantage it doesn't even matter.

Also, dalt being a C+ when you started at Montana is not like starting at Northern Arizona with a D-.

In the end though I can still get the guy from them if I want to, just bothers me that the biggest part of this game is so overlooked for the SIMAI. It would be great to get some SIMAI that really do compete in the local market and know who to recruit for their teams

Why does it matter THAT much where the sim recruit? So you have to spend more money on a guy, if hes good and will be a benefit to your team then you shouldnt have a problem with that.

Also if your team is a D- then the players on the team wouldnt be that good. Just promise some mins and you'll be able to get the guy cheaper so then you don't have to dump a lot more cash into someone.

so would everyone be satisified if the sim was New Mexico State or Univ of Denver rather than a team in the Northeast?

The lower D1 sims get a block of about 30-40 players at each position to choose from. If they need a PG it doesn't make a lot of sense to limit them to only recruiting a player that is close to their campus seeing that they already have a small pool to dip into.

Unless the sim recruiting is modified to allow the sims a larger amount of recruits to choose from (ironically the way it was a few years ago), I wouldn't be in favor of placing further limitations on them.

Maybe the redoing of the sim recruit logic you're asking for is find the block of 40 recruits and then the 40 open spots on sim rosters for that position. Then assign them by location.... San Jose State gets the guy furthest west, Maine gets the guy furthest east, Florida A&M gets the Southern recruit. But the sims are just basically names in my opinion.

The reason I even bring this question up is my unique geographical region as being within 300 miles of only 4 schools. (Arizona, Arizona State, New Mexico) All of which are not competition and then finally Southern Utah (D- and on my level for recruiting, SIMAI controlled as well).

Why should I way out in the boonies have to compete with teams on a "local" level from 1000+ miles away when the talent within my area is determined by the small # of D1 teams there are. Also, stop saying they are SIMAI and easy to out recruit, the point of this is to show that I shouldn't be competing on a local level with these teams to begin with.

D1 Recruits
Arizona - 15

Rhode Island - 13
New York - 97

Even the smallest state out east has just about as much D1 talent as all of Arizona. Although I do admit the NE has more teams as well then my area obviously but they also have more talent to support the number of teams.

One final question to those of you at A-/A/A+ schools and then I will put this topic to rest. How would you feel if you had lets say Duke with an A- and a SIMAI had Oregon with an A+ and came into your area and recruited on a local level? I have a feeling you would be pretty ticked off having to pay an extra $45,000+ or more for your recruits. I know I am not paying an extra $45,000 for my players but thats because the level is different, I am in lowball D1 and A level is in the Pro-League D1.

Personally, I think the recruiting logic needs to be reworked anyway. Our recruiting needs to be more like the SIMS ... since when does Duke or Kansas or Kentucky have any issues getting top 10 talent from anywhere.

There is way to much of a local bent on recruiting in HD.

Quote: Originally posted by hughesjr on 6/06/2010Personally, I think the recruiting logic needs to be reworked anyway. Our recruiting needs to be more like the SIMS ... since when does Duke or Kansas or Kentucky have any issues getting top 10 talent from anywhere.

There is way to much of a local bent on recruiting in HD.

This would be a great way to give A+ prestige teams even MORE of an advantage. Not sure we need that.

Quote: Originally Posted By hughesjr on 6/06/2010Personally, I think the recruiting logic needs to be reworked anyway. Our recruiting needs to be more like the SIMS ... since when does Duke or Kansas or Kentucky have any issues getting top 10 talent from anywhere.

There is way to much of a local bent on recruiting in HD.

Yeah, that's a rich-get-richer idea for sure.

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