Newb Budget Question Topic

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So I'm trying to set my budget for my team, and all of the different settings have a drop down box that only goes as low as 6 and as high as 14 million? I looked at some other teams budgets from the last few years and saw some 0's and 20's in there, so I think I'm doing something wrong. How can you get around that drop down box on the budget screen?
6/14/2010 1:08 PM
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Many of the categories can only move + or - 4M per season.
6/14/2010 1:11 PM
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and as a new team in a league you default to everything starting at 10 million. the only things that dont have the 4 mil restriction are prospect payroll and coaches payroll i believe.
6/14/2010 1:39 PM
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It's a raw deal if you pick up a team at the top of the draft in your first season (because you probably won't see the best players), but yeah, $4m is all you can change from year to year. It's better if you can take over a team before the previous season ends. The classifieds are a good place to do that.
6/14/2010 2:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By silentpadna on 6/14/2010It's a raw deal if you pick up a team at the top of the draft in your first season (because you probably won't see the best players), but yeah, $4m is all you can change from year to year. It's better if you can take over a team before the previous season ends. The classifieds are a good place to do that
I disagree. Even with a top 5 pick I don't think I ever go with more than 15 million in scouting. Even 20 million doesnt guarantee you seeing everyone...and that 10 million can easily be spent in better places than on one draft pick.
6/14/2010 2:40 PM
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difference in preference and style. i agree with panda that it's tough to not have the option to spend more on scouting in season 1.
6/14/2010 4:02 PM
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My only real experience with it is with one team. I chose the team that had the 2nd pick in the draft (not with that particular purpose). I've never been in a draft with a higher pick than 20th. In all other drafts, I've had many guys much better than the guy I got at #2 and there were at least 4 guys picked below me that I didn't see that I would have picked. It happened to also be by far the worst draft class at the top that I've seen so far. I think that even though it can still be somewhat random, it absolutely favors returning guys. I know now that if I happen to be picking in the top 10 and there are a couple of new owners at the top that I have a better chance of getting who I want if I have an inherent scouting budget advantage.

In the example I cite, if I were to have been able to work from the previous owner's budget, there would have been $11M more on scouting than what I had. When the guy picking at #3 has two newbies in front of him, he has a distinct advantage. That's what I consider the 'raw deal'.

BTW, as I posted in the improvement thread, the same sort of injustice is possible to exist at the high payroll extreme...



6/14/2010 4:46 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by csherwood on 6/14/2010.  Even 20 million doesnt guarantee you seeing everyone...and that 10 million can easily be spent in better places than on one draft pick.

Do you see more players or better players with more $ in scouting? I would have thought both?
6/14/2010 5:58 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By silentpadna on 6/14/2010
My only real experience with it is with one team. I chose the team that had the 2nd pick in the draft (not with that particular purpose). I've never been in a draft with a higher pick than 20th. In all other drafts, I've had many guys much better than the guy I got at #2 and there were at least 4 guys picked below me that I didn't see that I would have picked. It happened to also be by far the worst draft class at the top that I've seen so far. I think that even though it can still be somewhat random, it absolutely favors returning guys. I know now that if I happen to be picking in the top 10 and there are a couple of new owners at the top that I have a better chance of getting who I want if I have an inherent scouting budget advantage.

In the example I cite, if I were to have been able to work from the previous owner's budget, there would have been $11M more on scouting than what I had. When the guy picking at #3 has two newbies in front of him, he has a distinct advantage. That's what I consider the 'raw deal'.

BTW, as I posted in the improvement thread, the same sort of injustice is possible to exist at the high payroll extreme...





It has nothing to do with being new. If you have a lower scouting budget your run the risk of not seeing some guys. It doesn't mean you are going to miss out on the best players, it just means you won't see everyone and your projections aren't going to be as accurate as if you would have spent more on scouting. SIM doesn't discriminate against new or existing owners.
6/14/2010 7:43 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By timf on 6/14/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By silentpadna on 6/14/2010

My only real experience with it is with one team. I chose the team that had the 2nd pick in the draft (not with that particular purpose). I've never been in a draft with a higher pick than 20th. In all other drafts, I've had many guys much better than the guy I got at #2 and there were at least 4 guys picked below me that I didn't see that I would have picked. It happened to also be by far the worst draft class at the top that I've seen so far. I think that even though it can still be somewhat random, it absolutely favors returning guys. I know now that if I happen to be picking in the top 10 and there are a couple of new owners at the top that I have a better chance of getting who I want if I have an inherent scouting budget advantage.

In the example I cite, if I were to have been able to work from the previous owner's budget, there would have been $11M more on scouting than what I had. When the guy picking at #3 has two newbies in front of him, he has a distinct advantage. That's what I consider the 'raw deal'.

BTW, as I posted in the improvement thread, the same sort of injustice is possible to exist at the high payroll extreme...





It has nothing to do with being new. If you have a lower scouting budget your run the risk of not seeing some guys. It doesn't mean you are going to miss out on the best players, it just means you won't see everyone and your projections aren't going to be as accurate as if you would have spent more on scouting. SIM doesn't discriminate against new or existing owners.
I disagree. The SIM hates me.
6/14/2010 7:50 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By timf on 6/14/2010

It has nothing to do with being new. If you have a lower scouting budget your run the risk of not seeing some guys. It doesn't mean you are going to miss out on the best players, it just means you won't see everyone and your projections aren't going to be as accurate as if you would have spent more on scouting. SIM doesn't discriminate against new or existing owners.
You're missing my point. I'm talking about a new owner to a world. If a 'newbie' takes over a team that has a high draft pick, the maximum he can put into scouting is $14M in each of college and high school. A previous owner may have had $16M or more in each prior to leaving. The newbie cannot max out his budget even if he wanted to. So even if the team he is taking over is positioned for the best possible draft results, the newbie doesn't get the same chance because of rules limitations. This gives potential advantage to those picking behind him. Is it a sure thing? No, but the sheer fact that more budget = more players seen implies that you would have a greater chance of seeing the better players (and worse ones too). IMO, it's an unfair disadvantage for the new owner.

6/14/2010 8:53 PM
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