Another option for unused payroll Topic

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It would be nice to have another option for unused payroll. As it stands right now if you miss out on the big FAs you can either overspend for medioc4re free agents or transfer it to the prospect budget. I would suggest maybe allowing the use of this year's budget to resign next year's FA from your team. Maybe this year's payroll can be added as a bonus field to the resign next year's FA screen. And maybe that bonus will only count 50 cents on the dollar.
7/1/2010 10:15 AM
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Essentially, this allows one to play with a budget greater than $185m for the following season. Not a good thing.
7/1/2010 10:37 AM
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Just to be clear, I think this is what you're asking.

Player A is a potential FA.   He wants 3y/15m.   You have 10m in payroll left from this season.   So, in essence, you'll give him a 5m signing bonus, 0 salary for next season and 5m for the two seasons after that.    

Yeah, bad idea all around.
7/1/2010 10:44 AM
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There's a difference in the timing.   Call me silly but I like to think every team begins the year hoping to win.   And, because of this, they build their team appropriately.   Sometimes they have payroll leftover, sometimes they don't.   However, 50 games in, most teams have a real good idea where they'll end up.  If you're a contender, you'll likely use that extra payroll to bolster your BL team.   If you're not, you'll do something for the future.  

Under this plan, you can plan to lose this season, keep a ton of unused payroll, sign your departing FA and essentially start next season with virtually no payroll and a full team.   To me, that's a tanker's paradise.
7/1/2010 12:43 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 7/1/2010 12:43:00 PM (view original):
There's a difference in the timing.   Call me silly but I like to think every team begins the year hoping to win.   And, because of this, they build their team appropriately.   Sometimes they have payroll leftover, sometimes they don't.   However, 50 games in, most teams have a real good idea where they'll end up.  If you're a contender, you'll likely use that extra payroll to bolster your BL team.   If you're not, you'll do something for the future.  

Under this plan, you can plan to lose this season, keep a ton of unused payroll, sign your departing FA and essentially start next season with virtually no payroll and a full team.   To me, that's a tanker's paradise.
+1 on that thought.  As much as we would all love to use that extra $$ for future salary, it would be abused by tankers pretty bad.
7/1/2010 12:57 PM
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I think the biggest abuse would come from the owners who miss on the big FA.   Feeling that their chances are now lessened, they'd be more likely to "play for next year".   So they'd invest that 30m into departing FA rather than attempt to form a Plan B for this season.   It hurts competition. 
7/1/2010 1:00 PM
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I think that could also increase tanking and discurage new owners to join leagues. If you put money into your stadium for an advantage and it carried over multiple season, be bad a year or two  get a 1/2 run a game advantage? not good. Also join a league and be 1/2 a run down in each road game. again not good.

7/4/2010 11:48 PM
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Posted by Crump123 on 7/1/2010 11:58:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 7/1/2010 10:44:00 AM (view original):
Just to be clear, I think this is what you're asking.

Player A is a potential FA.   He wants 3y/15m.   You have 10m in payroll left from this season.   So, in essence, you'll give him a 5m signing bonus, 0 salary for next season and 5m for the two seasons after that.    

Yeah, bad idea all around.

It's using this season's payroll to lower cost in future seasons. Hows it any different from signing ARB eligible players to bonus loaded deals to lower salary in future seasons?

Turth be told if you're doing it at the end of the season, you would hope the programming had most of those players holding out to FA anyway.

There are already quite a few ways to move money around in future seasons. If you are a tanker you are already doing this before the FA period starts or you are doing it as you sign FAs. You'd still have to follow the salary rules so I don't think you can offer $0, $5 million then $5 million with a 5 million bonus.
7/9/2010 10:30 AM
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I suggested in one of the surveys to have the owners give you a bonus the following season if you come in under budget.

The number would be randomized from zero  up to 50% on what you saved in prospect and payroll money from the previous year.  But instead of rewarding you by giving you more payroll, they throw it into a category that improves the team AFTER you do budgeting and some category you could not transfer to payroll.  So you would get $4M added for medical,  or $8 million added to one (or split between) the scouting categories.

Or you would get a big fat zero and the owners go to the Bahamas on your savings.
7/9/2010 5:22 PM
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