Hidden potential in recruit? Topic

brianxavier
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Does anyone know if you can get lucky and have a recruit exceed his expectations?  In real life (yeah I'm going down that road) it is not entirely odd to see a player that is not highly recruited turn out to be a star.  It seems in HD this does not happen much or at all. 

For example, being a Xavier University fan, I remember when they got Aaron Williams - a relatively unknown recruit who turned out to be a NBA player for years and years... and the same happened with Brian Grant who played for years in the NBA... I could go on and on as Xavier seems to be pretty good at this... 

Anyhow, I think it would be nice to see someone that occasionally did better than expected based on their scouting/FSS. I realize you can't throw out all the scouting (otherwise it just becomes random)... but every now and then it would be cool to see someone who was lowly thought of for DI, II or III that turns into a big time player.  Naturally I would not want to see the opposite happen (a stud turn out to be a dud, but I guess you could do that too).  Perhaps FSS could down grade them in some area and the AC could say - 'hey I think FSS has it all wrong - I really think he could improve in _____ skill' (which would provide a slight advantage to those that scout in person.


7/14/2010 12:05 AM
cornfused
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a) That's not in the game yet.
b) That would be pretty cool.
7/14/2010 12:09 AM
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might be cool if we could start telling the scout what to target...I don't need 3 consecutive evals telling me how fast my future center isn't...
7/14/2010 1:40 AM
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It already happens. Players with very low cores and high potentials with huge improvements.
7/14/2010 9:04 AM
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It hasn't happenned for a while, but I've had a guy start with a 5 defense and finish with a 94. That was when potential was just being implemented. At the same time, in real life, the rivals top 150 is almost all 4 and 5 star guys, but I've recruited a 3 star player rated about 60th for a sg and 230ish overall become the npoy and number one draft pick overall. Stars are diffenent now and have never really meant that much, but you could call him an overachieving player/diamond in the rough. On occasion, a d2 player actually gets drafted by the wis nba, but your team has to win a d2 championship or at least hit the final  four for that to happen, from what I've seen.

Great idea though, IMO it would be a nice d1 option to scout specifically for an attribute, as you've suggested.
7/14/2010 9:16 AM
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I think it would be cool to have a budget like hbd and then the info you get from scouting is based off of that.  same with improvements it would be based on quality of coaches etc.  So you would have to make decisions like that.  HBD is way ahead of hd in those areas
7/14/2010 10:16 AM
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Posted by nbstowman on 7/14/2010 9:16:00 AM (view original):
It hasn't happenned for a while, but I've had a guy start with a 5 defense and finish with a 94. That was when potential was just being implemented. At the same time, in real life, the rivals top 150 is almost all 4 and 5 star guys, but I've recruited a 3 star player rated about 60th for a sg and 230ish overall become the npoy and number one draft pick overall. Stars are diffenent now and have never really meant that much, but you could call him an overachieving player/diamond in the rough. On occasion, a d2 player actually gets drafted by the wis nba, but your team has to win a d2 championship or at least hit the final  four for that to happen, from what I've seen.

Great idea though, IMO it would be a nice d1 option to scout specifically for an attribute, as you've suggested.
Never made a final four and I had a D2 player drafted in season 12 (Phelan).  Had 2 2nd rounds and 2 sweet-16s.  He was a 3-time CPOY though.
7/14/2010 11:55 AM
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Posted by cornfused on 7/14/2010 12:09:00 AM (view original):
a) That's not in the game yet.
b) That would be pretty cool.

7/14/2010 12:57 PM
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Posted by nbstowman on 7/14/2010 9:16:00 AM (view original):
It hasn't happenned for a while, but I've had a guy start with a 5 defense and finish with a 94. That was when potential was just being implemented. At the same time, in real life, the rivals top 150 is almost all 4 and 5 star guys, but I've recruited a 3 star player rated about 60th for a sg and 230ish overall become the npoy and number one draft pick overall. Stars are diffenent now and have never really meant that much, but you could call him an overachieving player/diamond in the rough. On occasion, a d2 player actually gets drafted by the wis nba, but your team has to win a d2 championship or at least hit the final  four for that to happen, from what I've seen.

Great idea though, IMO it would be a nice d1 option to scout specifically for an attribute, as you've suggested.

this kind of drastic improvement was stopped, i believe, in seble's first patch to the game (his potential patch). i am not sure exactly what the cut off is for the highest improvement you can get, but i would guess it was maybe 40, maybe less.

to the OP, they do sort of have it... especially if you don't investigate sub-potential ratings. meaning, if you just know a guy is high is 3 cores, and you are figuring at least 20 pts, and he turns out to be high-high in both and gains say 33 points in each, he is definitely a diamond in the rough type guy. if you knew he was high/high in all 3, still, others don't know he is as good as he is.

then again, with the slowed rate of improvement (for freshman at least), i am not sure most guys will have the capacity to max out all of their high potential areas.

7/14/2010 1:04 PM
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Posted by dacj501 on 7/14/2010 1:40:00 AM (view original):
might be cool if we could start telling the scout what to target...I don't need 3 consecutive evals telling me how fast my future center isn't...
yep.  i have issues with this.  i sent 10 evals trying to pull down a player and not once did I figure out the guard's passing ability.  but i know for sure he had no low post moves in him.

as for the original post, I think it's a great idea and would be cool.  as a wake forest fan, i know that recruit rankings/forecasts don't always mean anything.  wake recuited a center a few years ago that was an unknown.  can't remember his name, duncan or something like that.  i heard he went on to be pretty good. 
7/14/2010 1:32 PM
brianxavier
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I also find it very annoying that the in person evals do illogical things like looking at LP for a guard... versus checking out passing or another obvious more important guard issue.

Re: hidden potential - I realize some guys have high-high potential - i guess I was thinking of even more than that - a guy that appears to be low in a rating that actually is high.... 
7/15/2010 12:52 AM
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