I just got poached Topic

paul0613
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I really dont care because it is part of the game, but I wanted to know how I could have avoided or won the battle.

Tale of the tape:      Buffalo (MAC) B-                 40 miles away   
                                   Boston College (ACC) A-  350 miles away                          

I was on considering list from 1st cycle and 20k invested (all home and campus)

Not another penny spent until...

BC appears on considering list morning of signing day, but word on street and emails are "very" tight with Buffalo

At this point should I have:
1) Spent 2k every cycle for the next 7 cycles until I am out of money (which is what I did)
2) Dropped my last 14k immediately to try and kick off considering altogether

Would it have made a difference?

9/3/2010 10:01 AM
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Probably better if you just kicked him off. In terms of game mechanics, probably wouldn't have mattered, but psychologically, yes.
9/3/2010 10:07 AM
cornfused
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2) or 3) use the 14K elsewhere.
9/3/2010 10:09 AM
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avoiding the battle is more complex question - was the guy a deep reach for you - if you try to reach above your gettables, you increase risk

if you have few schollies (low budget) you increase risk

if you are in battles you increase risk - some folks look and see battles, say to themselves, he may be overstretched

BUT, basically you had little chance here - at 350 miles BC is just inside the favorable 360 mile range for costs - so he'll pay something like 425 per home visit while you pay 310 or something like that....IF BC had been 380 you would have had some chance
9/3/2010 10:39 AM
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A couple of things I would need to know to answer this one: 

1)   How much money did you and BC have to start with?   How many openings?   How much post-season cash?
2)   How many battles were you both in at the time?
3)   How badly did you need to fill the roster spot?
4)   Were there any other targets you could have found?

In general, if the money situation looked like you could have won it, this guy was clearly the best available and you were ok with a walk-on if you lost, I would have gone all-in and just see what happened.   If you thought that you were going to lose (say BC had a ton of money and no battles and you had two openings and two battles) and there was someone comparable available (which was probably unlikely at that time), I would have just moved on.    Somewhere in between?   Probably thrown in half to see if that worked and decided from there. 
 

9/3/2010 10:40 AM
paul0613
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My main reason to continue the battle, rather than move on were:

I had 2 open schollies and the other recruit cost me 4k, that left 34k for one scholly
He was a 3 star 40 miles from me (I did not know 360 was a good measure and 3 star shouldnt be a reach for B-)
BC had 5 openings and pretty high post season money but....
At the time I was the 3rd battle BC was in, the other 2 battles were for higher rated players
I was hoping BC would put the money into those battles
Turns out I was the fall back option when he lost one of the battles
9/3/2010 10:47 AM
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Obviously kicking him off would have made a psychological difference, but how many people would dump everything they had into that one player at that moment?  Probably not many.

Even then, who knows if it would have stopped him from coming after the guy?

Throwing everything at the guy was your only shot in retrospect, but it seems to me like you were just unlucky.  With those other battles, there's no way to know how much he had left.  I think a lot of people would have done the exact same thing as you, regardless what they say here.
9/3/2010 10:57 AM
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There are only 2 options--

1) go all in
2) turn tail and run somewhere else

The details are pretty well played out above, but the gist is this- if you have a shot to win and don't need your money elsewhere, you go all in. No shot to win, go poach someone else if possible.      

Next time you're in recruiting, find a guy at 360miles and one at 370. Huge difference in costs, as this is apparently the breaking point between flying and driving to the visit.      
9/3/2010 11:31 AM
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While all the comments above are well thought out and certainly options, I think your only move in this situation is to go all in even if you lose the recruit (which based on the information available you probably wouldve); 1) There is a chance the coach mistakingly thinks he doesnt have a chance and runs off; 2) (And more importantly); he will know in the future that you will put up a fight and given the option of battling with you or someone else will probably go somewhere else. 

 

9/3/2010 11:48 AM
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Posted by mmt0315 on 9/3/2010 11:48:00 AM (view original):

While all the comments above are well thought out and certainly options, I think your only move in this situation is to go all in even if you lose the recruit (which based on the information available you probably wouldve); 1) There is a chance the coach mistakingly thinks he doesnt have a chance and runs off; 2) (And more importantly); he will know in the future that you will put up a fight and given the option of battling with you or someone else will probably go somewhere else. 

 

+1

9/3/2010 11:52 AM
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Agreed w. wronoj. The only item I'll add is that a significant part of my decision-making process would involve whether or not there was a semi-comparable player that I could realistically sign with my remaining money. If not, and I felt I still had a chance to sign the original guy, I'd go all-in.

My guess is that there probably wouldn't have been a semi-comparable player that Buffalo could've signed for $14K at that stage of the game.

paul, you also can't think about 3-stars like you used to ... in the new engine, there are way fewer starred players. So a MAC team getting a 3-star is a lot more impressive than it was before.
9/3/2010 11:55 AM
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Remember that "Word on the Street" is only updated twice per day.  (The 0300 and 1500 cycles).  So, it does not count any effort put in on the 0600, 0900, or 1100 cycles.  So, if I put my money in any time after 0300, Word on the Street is worthless til after the 1500 cycle.
9/3/2010 12:16 PM
nachopuzzle
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A wise man once told me, "Poach and be poached".
9/8/2010 9:32 PM
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What killed you was his A- prestige compared to your B- prestige. As soon as he entered the battle, you were almost practically done. The same thing happened to me a few seasons ago. I was the only team on his considering list all the way until the 8PM cycle on the last night of signings and lost out to a team with an A+ rating compared to my B+ rating.
9/9/2010 2:47 AM
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I agree with the people who said you have to go all in.  Recruiting is a constant mind game, similar to poker.  If you go all in there and bump the other coach off, he is forced to make the decision on whether or not he has the money to over take you, and he has to be thinking you still have some money to spend.  Obviously it also depends on how much money you both had to start with before you make your decision.

On a side note, is this really considered poaching if it's the morning of?  I always thought poaching was more around 5 p.m. or 8 p.m. est. on signing day.
9/9/2010 8:28 AM
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