Fix catcher OVR Topic

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tecwrg
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What do you think is broken?
10/12/2010 5:56 AM
cespencer
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Catchers are generally lower in durability than other position players, and durability is heavily weighted in the overall.  Also, I suspect range & glove (also lower, generally much lower, for catchers) are also weighted probably more than they should be.
10/13/2010 4:55 AM
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ttnorm
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If OVR is useless, doesn't it need to be fixed or dropped?
10/13/2010 7:10 AM
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It's not completely useless, it's just a bad indicator of value.  In general, a 75 rated player is better than a 65 rated player.  In general, an 85 rated player is better than a 75 rated player.  It's also the best measure to use for type A/B designation, as it would be a bad idea to use stats.

I think what you're looking for is something similar to what would be on a Madden video game or MLB The Show.  Given that different people value different ratings, it would be tough to say what a "better" player is, since it varies with each person.

So it's not broken.  You just have to understand its value.
10/13/2010 7:25 AM
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I use overall rating to take a quick snapshot look at teams - using the Team Depth Charts page which only shows position, name, age and overall rating - if someone wants to propose a trade to me, it is a good place to start to just get an idea of who his best players and prospects and whether he has anything that I may want.
10/19/2010 12:00 PM
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OVR is relative to position group, and has value as a general indication of a player's skills compared to other players listed at the same position.

If anything about catchers needs fixing, I would like their range to be penalized while playing behind the plate, not for being listed as a catcher. So, for example, you might have a guy with catcher-quality pitch calling who could be qualified to play 3B or RF with his 65+ arm strength/accuracy and 50+ range, but that range would take an automatic 80 percent hit as soon as you list him at catcher.

I'm not even sure they could build that into the game, but there are catchers who get moved to other positions. Of course, most C/DH types would still have lousy range, but they might be qualified to play 1B as their arm strength fades.
10/20/2010 7:25 AM
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While this isn't at all the point of this thread, I'll just toss in my two cents that there are too many good hitting catchers in HBD

My theory is that because DUR and defense drag down the OVR of catchers so much, the player generation logic ramps up catcher hitting ratings, so that all catchers don't have completely ugly OVRs.  Which leads to half (or more) teams having a catcher that rakes.

10/20/2010 8:45 AM
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Posted by 98greenc5 on 10/20/2010 8:45:00 AM (view original):

While this isn't at all the point of this thread, I'll just toss in my two cents that there are too many good hitting catchers in HBD

My theory is that because DUR and defense drag down the OVR of catchers so much, the player generation logic ramps up catcher hitting ratings, so that all catchers don't have completely ugly OVRs.  Which leads to half (or more) teams having a catcher that rakes.

There probably are a few too many good all-around catchers in most worlds, but there are a lot of HBD owners who punt on catcher defense to put a DH masher there. That's a bit less common in MLB.
10/20/2010 1:11 PM
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