Booster gifts --new Pearl rule & Calipari rule Topic

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Someone suggested a new rule -- To get a penalty for booster gifts, someone has to report you.  You get comments back from your assistant like "Word around the school is that recruit is walking around in a new jersey he got from XYZ University."  If no one reports you, you get away with it.

I really  like the idea.  It could be called the "Bruce Pearl rule".  

Then again, maybe we should have a rule that gives you a 90% chance of getting away with booster gifts  for 3-4 seasons, which gives you a chance to get your prestige to an A and move up to another school. The coach who takes your place gets screwed when the sanctions come down, and you don't have any penalty at all because you're already gone. 

Plus your reputation among recruits goes up.   Call it  the "Calipari rule".
1/17/2011 5:52 PM
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Aside from the fact that I don't like it at all -- I agree with dac in the other thread, I'm not playing this game to rat on people and I don't want to incorporate that -- there are maybe 1,000 items that I would consider to be much more important that I'd rather see seble, et al spending their time on.
1/17/2011 6:28 PM
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remember that it was the same Bruce Pearl about 20 years ago, then an assistant at Iowa, recorded a conversation with recruit Deon Thomas, that Iowa had just lost to Illinois, where Thomas acknowledged receiving cash and a SUV from Illinois.  And Pearl turned the tape over to the NCAA.

The results; no direct punishment for Illinois for this recruit but the NCAA found other issues and slapped the Illini with a one-year postseason ban. 
And Pearl was basically banished to D-2 for almost a decade.
1/17/2011 6:59 PM
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Posted by Iguana1 on 1/17/2011 6:59:00 PM (view original):
remember that it was the same Bruce Pearl about 20 years ago, then an assistant at Iowa, recorded a conversation with recruit Deon Thomas, that Iowa had just lost to Illinois, where Thomas acknowledged receiving cash and a SUV from Illinois.  And Pearl turned the tape over to the NCAA.

The results; no direct punishment for Illinois for this recruit but the NCAA found other issues and slapped the Illini with a one-year postseason ban. 
And Pearl was basically banished to D-2 for almost a decade.
what do you mean iguana? he was banished to d2 by who - the coaches and ADs in d1? or by the NCAA?
1/17/2011 7:05 PM
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for Pearl it was more like all the D1 coaching offers disappeared.  Within a year he was in D2-Southern Indiana after 14 seasons as the lead assistant/head recruiter for Doctor Tom Davis at Boston College, Stanford and Iowa.   
Dickie V commented that Pearl's actions were career suicide.  Vitale even went as far as to call what Pearl did as "totally unethical".  

a decent timeline of what allegedly transpired:
http://underscorebleach.net/jotsheet/supplementary/bruce_pearl_ncaa_memo.html
1/17/2011 7:26 PM (edited)
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Or the Jim Calhoun Rule, "We made mistakes but we didn't cheat."
1/17/2011 7:26 PM
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Posted by Iguana1 on 1/17/2011 7:26:00 PM (view original):
for Pearl it was more like all the D1 coaching offers disappeared.  Within a year he was in D2-Southern Indiana after 14 seasons as the lead assistant/head recruiter for Doctor Tom Davis at Boston College, Stanford and Iowa.   
Dickie V commented that Pearl's actions were career suicide.  Vitale even went as far as to call what Pearl did as "totally unethical".  

a decent timeline of what allegedly transpired:
http://underscorebleach.net/jotsheet/supplementary/bruce_pearl_ncaa_memo.html
And for his punishment -- he's now pulling down 7 figures at Tennessee.
1/17/2011 8:14 PM
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Posted by boobyknight on 1/17/2011 8:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Iguana1 on 1/17/2011 7:26:00 PM (view original):
for Pearl it was more like all the D1 coaching offers disappeared.  Within a year he was in D2-Southern Indiana after 14 seasons as the lead assistant/head recruiter for Doctor Tom Davis at Boston College, Stanford and Iowa.   
Dickie V commented that Pearl's actions were career suicide.  Vitale even went as far as to call what Pearl did as "totally unethical".  

a decent timeline of what allegedly transpired:
http://underscorebleach.net/jotsheet/supplementary/bruce_pearl_ncaa_memo.html
And for his punishment -- he's now pulling down 7 figures at Tennessee.
But only after languishing in basketball's nether regions for quite some time because of the Deon Thomas incident.

Iguana, when I saw it called the Pearl rule, I naturally assumed that people were referring to his whistle-blowing ... never even occurred to me that they might not be aware of the stuff you brought up. My, how times change ...
1/17/2011 10:30 PM
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In addition to the Calipari and Pearl Rule lets not to forget to add the Bill Self/Brandon Rush and a host of other irregularities and Coach K/Maggette doctrine. The possibilities are unlimited.
1/18/2011 12:04 AM
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I remember this as I was living in Champaign at the time. Thanks for the link, it was refreshing. Looking at this memo now, I see different flaws in it than I did back then with my even more biased and partisan, younger eye.

You can clearly tell the slant he is trying to take with cheap jabs like "are these players ever in school?". Hypocrisy at its highest. As if most universities don't have their players be "sports management" and "communications" majors with easy degrees and such. Especially since this was supposed to be an internal memo. Also, you can clearly see it had nothing to do with protecting Deon Thomas. It had 100% to do with him not signing with Illinois. He had no problem with Illinois violating the rules, he just didn't like they did it better. Note he said basically "we shouldn't even say anything if Iowa gets mentioned because then Deon won't sign here".

Class act all the way. Sorry about the threadjack. To stay on subject, instead of the email saying "throwback jersey from XYZ" if it said something like "throwback jersey after taking that trip to that school he likes". If he's considering two schools, you roll the dice which one you report. If there's only one he's considering, well stupid on them for offering kickbacks to a guy they aren't in a battle for. :P
1/18/2011 11:55 PM
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Posted by boobyknight on 1/17/2011 5:52:00 PM (view original):
Someone suggested a new rule -- To get a penalty for booster gifts, someone has to report you.  You get comments back from your assistant like "Word around the school is that recruit is walking around in a new jersey he got from XYZ University."  If no one reports you, you get away with it.

I really  like the idea.  It could be called the "Bruce Pearl rule".  

Then again, maybe we should have a rule that gives you a 90% chance of getting away with booster gifts  for 3-4 seasons, which gives you a chance to get your prestige to an A and move up to another school. The coach who takes your place gets screwed when the sanctions come down, and you don't have any penalty at all because you're already gone. 

Plus your reputation among recruits goes up.   Call it  the "Calipari rule".

So If we're calling it the Bruce Pearl rule than its worthless since you could blame anyone for anything and get your buddies at the NCAA to sancation the program.    

1/19/2011 4:23 PM
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Posted by Iguana1 on 1/17/2011 6:59:00 PM (view original):
remember that it was the same Bruce Pearl about 20 years ago, then an assistant at Iowa, recorded a conversation with recruit Deon Thomas, that Iowa had just lost to Illinois, where Thomas acknowledged receiving cash and a SUV from Illinois.  And Pearl turned the tape over to the NCAA.

The results; no direct punishment for Illinois for this recruit but the NCAA found other issues and slapped the Illini with a one-year postseason ban. 
And Pearl was basically banished to D-2 for almost a decade.
Because nothing happened, that's why the NCAA didn't find anything directly related to the case. Pearl badgered Deon Thomas at all hours of the day (recording all conversations) until Deon finally said what he wanted him to say.

Ugh you really shouldn't get me going on this!
1/19/2011 4:24 PM
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Tark world really needs to have no penalties for boosters - just like TARK!

1/19/2011 4:25 PM
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