Better scoring guard position - SG or PG? Topic

All else being equal, will a guard with v. good b/h and pass score more at the SG or PG position?  In other words, if your best Ath/Sp/Per/LP guard is also one of your best bh/pass guards, will you maximize his scoring by having him be a PG and, in theor, touch the ball every possession, or at SG where he doesn't have distribution responsibility?
Offenses would be motion or flex as those are the only ones I am familiar with.

It seems to me that the scoring is subdued a bit a PG, but just annecdotal and not sure if the scoring calculations in the engine are different for PG and SG.

Thanks
1/21/2011 3:31 PM
I have 6 teams. On three of them, the PG is outscoring the SG. So I don't think it makes much difference.

I don't always place them in their natural position, however. On one of my teams, I start PGs at both positions
1/21/2011 3:37 PM
I have a team where I have a SG playing PG and PG playing SG. And I acutally only 1 of my 4 teams that I recruited the entire roster has an actual SG starting at SG. As far as what position is best for scoring I'm with alblack I don't think it matters all that much. The leading scorer in one of my conferences which is the 2nd best RPI conference in D2 Tark is a player that plays exclusively at PG on the #1 ranked team and is efficient.
1/21/2011 3:45 PM
Another question on this issue for you pros:  if you have a really good athlete and defender whose LP and PER ratings are low, would you set him for a high distribution or just let him play defense? (Not that I have anyone like that yet, but I'm working on landing a few recruits who fit that profile this coming cycle).



1/21/2011 3:55 PM
I understand PGs can score alot, but that still begs the question of whether they would score more at SG.  Clearly there are different equations used in the engine for determining scoring at PF/C vs. SG/PG.  The question, is whether the equations vary much between PG and SG.   IRL, while there are scoring PGs, the leading perimeter scorer is typically SG so I would presume that would be the working assumption for the WIS programmers and there would be a slight bias towards passing for the PG and shooting for the SG. 
1/21/2011 4:01 PM
I was thinking about this same issue on one of my D3 teams a couple of seasons ago - I had two starting guards who each had strong PG credentials and 50+ PER. I decided to switch it depending on my matchup. When I played press teams, I put the better ballhandler at PG; against everyone else, I put the other guy (better passer) at PG. I don't know for sure if it made a difference, but it seemed like whoever I played at SG ended up with slightly better scoring (and all other stats stayed about the same).
1/21/2011 4:03 PM
I honestly don't think there's a difference. I've had plenty of teams where I rotate guys between pg and sg based on matchups, and have never noticed a positive or negative trend w. either position.

ethan ... to answer your question, I wouldn't give high distro to that kind of player. I would start with a lower distro, and raise it slowly as the season progresses if they're still scoring efficiently. Also, you mention looking at landing a "few" recruits like this in your current class, and I'd be careful with that. These types of players absolutely have their place on your team, but not when there's too many of them, or too many in one class. You don't want to be one-dimensional. And you don't want a group of athlietc seniors who can't really score well. My advice is to mix up your recruits so you can build a team whose strengths/weaknesses can offset and completement each other.
1/21/2011 4:17 PM
Posted by ethan66 on 1/21/2011 3:55:00 PM (view original):
Another question on this issue for you pros:  if you have a really good athlete and defender whose LP and PER ratings are low, would you set him for a high distribution or just let him play defense? (Not that I have anyone like that yet, but I'm working on landing a few recruits who fit that profile this coming cycle).



I would snap him up in a heartbeat, because everyone on my team needs to defend.  But I'd play him with a really low distribution, because not everyone needs to score.

Here are two of this kind of player from my current Maryland team:

http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=1608796

http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=1608797

As you can see, neither one of them has any offensive skills to speak of.  But I love both of them, because they give me so much flexibility in terms of what I can do defensively.  We've played 33 games so far; Miles has started 24 (mostly at SF) and Murray has started 14 (all at PF).  Miles is averaging 6 ppg and Murray is averaging 4 ppg, because they have very low distro shares in most games, but that's OK - there are other guys on the team that score.  They have super ATH and DEF, and that's enough for them to see floor time for me.

Dan is exactly right.  You need a variety of player types to fill various roles.  And the role of a gritty, athletic defender is a valuable one.  Somebody's gotta do the dirty work.
1/21/2011 5:19 PM (edited)
Posted by ethan66 on 1/21/2011 3:55:00 PM (view original):
Another question on this issue for you pros:  if you have a really good athlete and defender whose LP and PER ratings are low, would you set him for a high distribution or just let him play defense? (Not that I have anyone like that yet, but I'm working on landing a few recruits who fit that profile this coming cycle).



what are his bh and FT rating? Oh, IQ too?
1/21/2011 5:19 PM
To get back to the original question, I don't think the position matters much (if it matters at all).  I've seen a guy playing PG go off every bit as frequently as a guy playing SG.  I make the PG/SG decision based solely on which guy has the better PG skills; if it just so happens that he is also the better scorer of my starting guards, no problem.
1/21/2011 5:21 PM
Posted by ethan66 on 1/21/2011 3:55:00 PM (view original):
Another question on this issue for you pros:  if you have a really good athlete and defender whose LP and PER ratings are low, would you set him for a high distribution or just let him play defense? (Not that I have anyone like that yet, but I'm working on landing a few recruits who fit that profile this coming cycle).



Had a guy average 27ppgs while shooting 54% from the field at D3 with 81ath/80sp 1lp/38per/60bh and he won NPOY. Ath/SP combo trumps all. Here's the player: http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Default.aspx?pid=1546359
1/21/2011 6:19 PM
I HATE those players.  Hate them.  The reason being that I can't think of any RL player who scored 27 PPG - or anywhere in that stratosphere - solely on the strength of being fast and athletic.  Particularly anybody under 6 feet tall.  The only players who touch those kinds of scoring numbers have excellent skills in the low post or a solid jumpshot if not both.  And have to be decent handling the ball and fast as guards or very athletic and pretty fast in the post.
1/21/2011 6:35 PM
Posted by kmasonbx on 1/21/2011 6:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ethan66 on 1/21/2011 3:55:00 PM (view original):
Another question on this issue for you pros:  if you have a really good athlete and defender whose LP and PER ratings are low, would you set him for a high distribution or just let him play defense? (Not that I have anyone like that yet, but I'm working on landing a few recruits who fit that profile this coming cycle).



Had a guy average 27ppgs while shooting 54% from the field at D3 with 81ath/80sp 1lp/38per/60bh and he won NPOY. Ath/SP combo trumps all. Here's the player: http://whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Default.aspx?pid=1546359
This is only true in D3... in D1 ATH/DEF are key for every player, but if you want your player to score they need some good core ratings
1/21/2011 7:04 PM
Posted by dahsdebater on 1/21/2011 6:35:00 PM (view original):
I HATE those players.  Hate them.  The reason being that I can't think of any RL player who scored 27 PPG - or anywhere in that stratosphere - solely on the strength of being fast and athletic.  Particularly anybody under 6 feet tall.  The only players who touch those kinds of scoring numbers have excellent skills in the low post or a solid jumpshot if not both.  And have to be decent handling the ball and fast as guards or very athletic and pretty fast in the post.
Allen Iverson....
1/21/2011 7:32 PM
AI has a jumpshot.  He doesn't have elite perimeter, but he had a better than NBA-average jumpshot in his prime.
1/21/2011 7:33 PM
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