to have a sucessfull pull down can you just call and do home visits/ campus visits or do you need to do scouting trips or is there something im missing alltogether

Scouting trips are the only way to pulldown. Once he is considering you, you can begin using CV/HV. Not sure if you know, so I'll just say it anyways. Call the recruit first and make sure he will accept the trips. 

thanks for the advice

If you get...your a back up option for me coach of he may consider you if his a schools don't pan out. You can pull down. Expensive if he is not within 100 miles, your in d3 and he has so much potential a d2 team might want him.10 scouting trips +1 more scouting trip, phone call and schollie has worked well. Save home visits, campus visits so you have as much emergency money as possible and can pull someone else down later if needed.

@qvt1c - do a search here for "pulldown", there has been lots of great advice posted.

Also, see this Google doc that dacj501 posted, based on an outline I wrote:  docs.google.com/document/d/19PzKVXrYTREYv4MPOAERBIZVOJPRyCLLINrO_EDj-o4/edit

That document is not to be taken as gospel - it's merely a compilation of various coaches' advice.   Mostly, the best way to learn about pulldowns is to digest the basic principles and then apply them yourself.  After a few seasons doing them, you can get pretty good at estimating the cost and your chances on players.

Posted by ethan66 on 3/31/2011 1:52:00 PM (view original):
@qvt1c - do a search here for "pulldown", there has been lots of great advice posted.

Also, see this Google doc that dacj501 posted, based on an outline I wrote:  docs.google.com/document/d/19PzKVXrYTREYv4MPOAERBIZVOJPRyCLLINrO_EDj-o4/edit

That document is not to be taken as gospel - it's merely a compilation of various coaches' advice.   Mostly, the best way to learn about pulldowns is to digest the basic principles and then apply them yourself.  After a few seasons doing them, you can get pretty good at estimating the cost and your chances on players.

The advise about ranked players seems to be "pre 02/16/2011 update".

I don't think most schools in D-II are getting anywhere near a recruit ranked 115th now ... not even A+ schools (I had an A+ D-II team at Hawaii Pacific and I could not get anywhere near that).

Hugh: My D2 school with a C prestige just pulled down a #137 ranked player last cycle.  He was 10 miles from campus, which helped.

Not sure which side of the update that class was generated, so for what it's worth.  And that doc was written several weeks ago, yes.

Posted by hughesjr on 3/31/2011 4:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ethan66 on 3/31/2011 1:52:00 PM (view original):
@qvt1c - do a search here for "pulldown", there has been lots of great advice posted.

Also, see this Google doc that dacj501 posted, based on an outline I wrote:  docs.google.com/document/d/19PzKVXrYTREYv4MPOAERBIZVOJPRyCLLINrO_EDj-o4/edit

That document is not to be taken as gospel - it's merely a compilation of various coaches' advice.   Mostly, the best way to learn about pulldowns is to digest the basic principles and then apply them yourself.  After a few seasons doing them, you can get pretty good at estimating the cost and your chances on players.

The advise about ranked players seems to be "pre 02/16/2011 update".

I don't think most schools in D-II are getting anywhere near a recruit ranked 115th now ... not even A+ schools (I had an A+ D-II team at Hawaii Pacific and I could not get anywhere near that).

Great point hughesjr, and I've made a comment on the doc regarding that...good catch, thanks.

I pulled down the like 194 ranked PG with my A+ Valdosta St team FWIW...everyone else ranked told me to bugger off...

does all of this work the same for a d3 team?

Just finished recruiting d3. Was easier to pulldowns in the 470-480 range, not ranked and within the 200 mile recommendations. Noticed many d3 teams landing more of these players. Maybe the new recruiting generation left more of the d2 recommended range 530-550 players not taken by low prestige d1 teams. The trickle down effect.

Posted by qvt1c on 4/1/2011 8:04:00 PM (view original):
does all of this work the same for a d3 team?

Yes.  You're just working with less money.

My last D3 class (pre-update), I pulled down 3 players.  From what others are saying here, it's no harder than it was and perhaps even easier.

I'm about to find out as my D3 team starts recruiting next week.

I've already stated how to save money at D3. :)

Are scouting trips more expensive than Shollie offers??? 

so are ranked PG's and PF's basically unable to be pulled down anymore, even for the A+ prestige teams?