Ideas for rejuvenating low/mid DI Topic

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The idea I saw in the other thread was pretty good. Increase the prestige gained by NT appearances for mid majors, such that a Sweet 16 appearance for say, Butler, will increase its prestige from C to B while a Sweet 16 for a BCS school will only increase it from C to C+. 

This allows mid majors to plan out their class to have one or two super classes in a row, pushing prestige from C range to the B+/A- range. 
3/31/2011 2:27 PM
I think something like a 'diamond in the rough' idea (like in HBD) might help.  Kids have their potentials increase at some point during their career (maybe by mid-SO season, so they can actually reach their potential).  This should primarily hit mid-majors and possibly some lower BCS schools, since the elites probably won't have as many people who have the 'space' to make a jump.
3/31/2011 2:28 PM
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Shouldn't WIS offer increased credits for NT appearances from low/mid-major schools?  Fantastic incentive to build a mid-major school and you might have guys leaving the big schools to get some good mid-majors.  Greater challenge=Greater Reward
3/31/2011 2:46 PM
I personally wont ever play at d1 again.  Maybe im stubborn but they ruined it for me and almost the game in general.  Or and girt have good ideas and are seasoned vets anythign they say should be considered.
3/31/2011 3:14 PM
how about a bounty? every d1 school that has a baseline prestige of B- or better is given a dollar amount. everytime a low/mid major team beats them in the nonconference regular season schedule (not postseason) they receive credits. the higher the baseline prestige, the higher the payout. 

and it is somewhat realistic if you think outside of the box for a second. everytime a little d1 school beats goliath they become the big story on sportcenter and get valuable exposure. the higher the name value of the school that they defeat the more press they get.
3/31/2011 3:31 PM (edited)
I am strongly against anything exotic, kinky, or more complicated than things are now. (at least when it comes to HD). OR sums up my feelings pretty much with his first line. Fix recruiting.... the game wasn't broke, the fix was.
The game was fine. Had some issues, no question, but was much better for DI than todays version.

As Dan has mentioned many times this week,,,, don't fix what's not broken....the system that's been in place for prestige isn't broken,,,, the rewards to conferences for recruiting cash isn't broken..... they both worked fine until recruiting got F' d up.
3/31/2011 3:46 PM
Posted by tkimble on 3/31/2011 2:47:00 PM (view original):
Shouldn't WIS offer increased credits for NT appearances from low/mid-major schools?  Fantastic incentive to build a mid-major school and you might have guys leaving the big schools to get some good mid-majors.  Greater challenge=Greater Reward
To clarify, this is what I was suggesting in the other thread. Not additional tournament cash for an NT trip with a low-prestige school--I'm not convinced that would make a whole lot of difference--but more HD credits per NT game for the user than they would earn for a higher-prestige school.
3/31/2011 4:38 PM
This is what I like for a fix for National Recruiting.

Generate 3 types of recruits (we already have the categories).  Close to home, far away from home, no preference.

The "Close to Home" operate exactly like now as far as costs are concerned.

The "Far away from Home" recruits have a fixed cost that is based on a given distance (I would suggest 100 or 150 miles) regardless of who recruits them.  They cost the same at 2500 miles or 25 miles ... and is based on some fixed cost.

The "No Preference" recruits can have something in between ... their cost can be 1/2 the normal costs of the "Close to Home".

You could find out where the guy wants to play as part of a scouting trip and FSS.
3/31/2011 5:07 PM
i divide this into two categories - easy fix and long term more complex fix

1.  Easy fix

change the shape of the skills distribution to push the apx 100-300 ranked recruits a bit closer to the top 100 or so in terms of overall, senior year potential.  make it thereby more possible for mid and low DI to compete

2. More complex fix

overall point would be to add texture to recruiting

first - preferences

a. near/far gets more of an impact - see above post for example

b.  cold/warm preference

c.  cares/doesnt care about academics

d.  wants great party school

e.  bet we can develop a few other dimensions

second - fuzzy ratings

make the ratings that we see in recruiting imprecise - unless you use an eval, then you get to see the real ratings - so without an eval its plus or minus say 5 from the number shown - after you use the eval you see the real current rating - so a mid major that decides to scout hard may find better guys

third - pipelines

recruit a kid from a certain high school, then for a year or two other kids at that school like your program (its like a springing preference) - recruit a kid from an area and the same thing happens but to a lesser degree .....so its a big deal when the Maryland coach gets a Baltimore kid after being shut out for a decade...someone could develop a pipeline to Puerto Rico or White River Junction Vermont or Latvia......

others?





3/31/2011 5:32 PM
+1 to metsmax's ideas.  I especially love the pipeline idea.  That would be very cool for all divisions.  
3/31/2011 5:35 PM

to explain a bit more, I'm thinking that that means that a low DI school might decide to develop a pipeline toNorth dakota or something - now that wont get them a 5 star kid from there, but if they regularly recruit kids from Pierre Senior High (whatever) then along comes a 3 star with good potential and he sees two kids from ND on the roster and that low DI school's effort gets a bonus effect - and he has a better chance of fighting off a BCS school that just comes along and likes the kid......a chance thats all....so you're saying we have a chance?

3/31/2011 5:42 PM
mets, I like most of your suggestions, and they would help make recruiting more layered.

But I don't think they'd make much impact at all re: rejuvenating low/mid DI. They're definitely worthwhile, but it's really a different thread.
3/31/2011 9:58 PM
Posted by tianyi7886 on 3/31/2011 2:28:00 PM (view original):
The idea I saw in the other thread was pretty good. Increase the prestige gained by NT appearances for mid majors, such that a Sweet 16 appearance for say, Butler, will increase its prestige from C to B while a Sweet 16 for a BCS school will only increase it from C to C+. 

This allows mid majors to plan out their class to have one or two super classes in a row, pushing prestige from C range to the B+/A- range. 
Not really a fan of this ... I can only imagine if I was a struggling BCS school at a C+, finally made the dance and watched a low/mid school do the same and rocket past me. It's just too much, imo.

I do like the idea of giving more NT money to non-BCS teams for each postseason win. That's not as drastic (it gets spread around the conference) and doesn't necessarily serve to catapult those schools past other teams, just helps level the playing field a bit.

Or jbasnight's suggestion re: giving more rewards points/cash to these teams. That's a nice incentive, too, and might be more appealing for some people because it's a great way to incentivize participation with those teams without force feeding stuff on the court like some of the above.

Commence Socialist Dynasty.

3/31/2011 10:06 PM (edited)
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