Realism in recruit generation Topic

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Allen, for season 50:
  • Three top-10 recruits (#2 SF, #3 SG, #9 PF) from the state of Idaho.
  • Zero top-10 recruits from the states of Virginia and Maryland
  • Three top-10 recruits (#4 C, #5 SG, #9 C) from the state of New York.

I've gotta go watch me some Idaho HS basketball.

 
5/19/2011 2:29 PM
kmasonbx
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I definitely agree here, there needs to be more realism in terms of where the best recruits come from.
5/19/2011 2:32 PM
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Idaho has always been well-known for their elite basketball talent, which explains the dominance of Idaho, Idaho St and Boise St. I really don't see what the issue is.
5/19/2011 2:46 PM
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The new recruits suck as well. They had them nailed before the last update. Now they screwed em up again. 
5/19/2011 2:58 PM
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also 0 top 10's (and only a combined 3 top 20's) in Michigan, Indiana, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

I may also be searching the potato fields of Idaho in search of elite talent.  And as long as I'm out west, I may swing by Utah and visit their 3 recruits in the top 7.
5/19/2011 3:00 PM
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The biggest problem that exists is that there are the good recruits (position players 1-20) and the recruits that might have a chance at becoming good (20-35) and then the rest of the players dont even stack up to the top 20 players freshman rating after 4 years.  It would be nice to have more mid range (overall 570-600) players that could become a senior with a huge impact in the game.

5/19/2011 3:30 PM
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Totally agree here.  In the most recent Crum recruiting session, the state of Colorado had like 3 top 10 position players, including I think 2 Top 3 guards.  Made the Buffaloes pretty happy I'm sure, but it's just too variable imo (not to mention unrealistic).  However, much of this (in addition to bscoresby's comment imo) could be addressed if they widened the recruiting bands where the costs jump to the next level.  This would make recruiting less geographical and more strategic.  It's silly that 90% of the elite kids go to the state they're in or an immediately adjacent state simply due to the narrow recruiting bands.  I think their effort to tie the 200 mile band to the distance of a roundtrip car drive and the 370 mile band to a car trip and hotel and beyond that an airplane ticket was a good intention, but I think it needs to be evaluated again.  Too often a Duke or UNC-type team can only recruit from the Carolinas, Maryland, or Virginia.  That's pretty ridiculous.  This argument isn't new I realize, guess I just wish it wouldn't fall on deaf ears for the umpteenth time.

 
5/19/2011 4:12 PM
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What season is it in these worlds?  Who's to say that Idaho couldn't be a basketball mecca 50 years from now?  Who knows what would happen if (insert jobber small time Great Plains school here) went on a run of Elite 8's and inspired the local youngsters to play ball.  It's fantasy...random distribution is the only way to go IMO.
5/19/2011 4:19 PM
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Posted by jdno on 5/19/2011 4:14:00 PM (view original):
Totally agree here.  In the most recent Crum recruiting session, the state of Colorado had like 3 top 10 position players, including I think 2 Top 3 guards.  Made the Buffaloes pretty happy I'm sure, but it's just too variable imo (not to mention unrealistic).  However, much of this (in addition to bscoresby's comment imo) could be addressed if they widened the recruiting bands where the costs jump to the next level.  This would make recruiting less geographical and more strategic.  It's silly that 90% of the elite kids go to the state they're in or an immediately adjacent state simply due to the narrow recruiting bands.  I think their effort to tie the 200 mile band to the distance of a roundtrip car drive and the 370 mile band to a car trip and hotel and beyond that an airplane ticket was a good intention, but I think it needs to be evaluated again.  Too often a Duke or UNC-type team can only recruit from the Carolinas, Maryland, or Virginia.  That's pretty ridiculous.  This argument isn't new I realize, guess I just wish it wouldn't fall on deaf ears for the umpteenth time.

 
but geography is strategic

signed,

I coach at Wyoming     
5/19/2011 4:20 PM
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Real life Duke: 6 of nine players are from Virginia, North Carolina, or DC. and another one is within 675 Road miles, and the exceptions are the Plumee brothers.

Real life North Carolina: 8 of fifteen are north carolina or VA, 10 of fifteen are within 600 miles, with another one at 630. (Keep in mind that is road miles, not straight line miles, so that last one is probably really inside a 600 mile radius)



5/19/2011 10:17 PM
jdno
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well that is interesting arss...

Just curious why the big discrepancy in player totals ?  Only 9 for Duke but 15 for UNC?  Also, do you know what the figures look like if instead of 600 miles we used 370?  Not that big a difference b/w 380, 600, and ~1300 miles in HD from a cost perspective.
5/19/2011 11:45 PM
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Just used what was listed under 2011 roster on their respective official websites.  Not making any particular argument from it, just thought since those two examples were brought up, it would be interesting to see the real current composition.



5/19/2011 11:55 PM
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And the Plumlee brothers actually played most of their HS ball in North Carolina.
5/20/2011 2:31 AM
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As another example of predominantly local recruiting in real life, 8 of Syracuse's 11 legit scholarship players last season were from within 330 miles (including an international from Montreal). Another was 406 miles away (Detroit), and the remaining two were long-distance internationals (Brazil and Senegal).
5/20/2011 8:54 AM (edited)
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Recruiting is pretty local in real life.  My school, Wisconsin, pretty much recruitings WI/MN/IL just like in HD, though they get some guys from random places like Arizona every once in a while, which is unlike HD.
5/20/2011 9:28 AM
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