Okay I have been trying to figure out how to effectively doubleteam a player and when I do the end result is never pretty. I always lose when I set up the doubleteam. Sometimes the guy gets shutdown but othe players shine, other times it's like why did I even doubleteam at all. Is there a strategy to using the doubleteam if not, why is it even an option...

I think that most coaches running MTM do not use the double team option on a regular basis.

If there is one player that is getting the lion's share of the distribution (e.g. >20%), you might consider a double team.
You might also consider a double team if your defense is heavily skewed but there is one player it is not covering.  E.g., a team has most of its scorers out of the guard position and you go +5, you might double team the lone low post threat.
You might also double team to cover for a poor defender.

Finally when using the double team option consider hedging your bets by using the 'if leading scorer' option.

Is +5 the extreme or should I actually go +5 to protect my perimeter due to the low post doubleteam? It sounds a bit extreme like I may get murdered on the inside.???

Posted by rednation58 on 8/31/2011 3:59:00 PM (view original):
Is +5 the extreme or should I actually go +5 to protect my perimeter due to the low post doubleteam? It sounds a bit extreme like I may get murdered on the inside.???

I wouldn't go so far as to say murdered.  More like sexually harassed on the inside.

Posted by udm_mike on 8/31/2011 4:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rednation58 on 8/31/2011 3:59:00 PM (view original):
Is +5 the extreme or should I actually go +5 to protect my perimeter due to the low post doubleteam? It sounds a bit extreme like I may get murdered on the inside.???

I wouldn't go so far as to say murdered.  More like sexually harassed on the inside.

Lmaooo!! I'm not trying to get sexually harassed either lol!!

double teaming should be a rare and special move - even if leading scorer double should be rare and special

It used to seemingly never work for me but lately I've been having a lot of success with it.

to each their own.  i've used it with a fair bit of success.  haven't won the big one yet, but i've held my own most places i've been.

My personal opinion is that the double team can be effective if used in the right circumstances.  What I've seemed to notice is that if the team you're playing all have high IQ's, your more likely to get burned with the DT (i.e, the DT'd player will just pass out of the DT to an open player, who, with his IQ also, will know what to do with the ball causing some serious damage to your defense).  However, if the other team's IQ's are low or just average, it can be effective then (again, just personal opinion).  Of course, your team's IQ's and ratings come into play also, so you have to pick your spots carefully.  I don't like to use the double team that often, usually only when one, or maybe two, of the opposing teams players have the lion's share of the distro.  Even 20% might not be high enough for me to DT.  And if I do DT, then I generally use the "If leading scorer" option instead of the "Always" option.

the key, as with anything, is to go recruit better players, then anything you do is more effective.  seems kinda obvious to say it, but i think there are a lot of people on here (not saying it's the case here, just in general) that want instant gratification and think that with any feature they use it should have magical results no matter how good or bad their team is.

Well I just took over a DII school two seasons ago. This is my third season playing WIS all together. My teams are slowly becoming mine as I weed out past coaches players. I like to know what all my options are as far as game planning is concerned because it seems to play a major role in winning or losing a game. I would not DT a player unless I felt that player had the advantage over my own or did receive a lions share of distribution. I'm inclined to believe the IQ statement because I've seen teams win or lose at any given time regardless of their players (to an extent) because they out coached the opponent who was actually superior. I guess then my next question is what's the difference between an A+, A-, and an A? What would be the failure to success ratio of a successful DT? 

I made to the sweet 16 as a #15 seed by using the double team.   I got burned by it earlier in the year which is why I was only a #15 seed but it worked in the CT and the 2 games I won in the NT.

Posted by luckyt on 9/1/2011 6:36:00 AM (view original):
I made to the sweet 16 as a #15 seed by using the double team.   I got burned by it earlier in the year which is why I was only a #15 seed but it worked in the CT and the 2 games I won in the NT.

This may be a good example of the difference between winning because of something vs. in spite of something. People make mistakes all the time but still win, and then erroneously connect what they've done wrong as part of why they won.

Looks like you basically play all sim teams. You're likely to win those games almost regardless of whether you DT or not. (Although it's telling that you "got burned" by it earlier in the season.)

The DT does have a place in HD, you just have to know when to use it. If you're using it most or all of the time (and it sounds like you are, but I could be mistaken), then that's not optimum strategy.

Posted by girt25 on 9/1/2011 7:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by luckyt on 9/1/2011 6:36:00 AM (view original):
I made to the sweet 16 as a #15 seed by using the double team.   I got burned by it earlier in the year which is why I was only a #15 seed but it worked in the CT and the 2 games I won in the NT.

This may be a good example of the difference between winning because of something vs. in spite of something. People make mistakes all the time but still win, and then erroneously connect what they've done wrong as part of why they won.

Looks like you basically play all sim teams. You're likely to win those games almost regardless of whether you DT or not. (Although it's telling that you "got burned" by it earlier in the season.)

The DT does have a place in HD, you just have to know when to use it. If you're using it most or all of the time (and it sounds like you are, but I could be mistaken), then that's not optimum strategy.

Ok so what would be your example of when to use the DT? Do you agree with the over 20% distribution theory or would you use DT even more sparingly than that? 

Posted by girt25 on 9/1/2011 7:21:00 AM (view original):

Posted by luckyt on 9/1/2011 6:36:00 AM (view original):
I made to the sweet 16 as a #15 seed by using the double team.   I got burned by it earlier in the year which is why I was only a #15 seed but it worked in the CT and the 2 games I won in the NT.

This may be a good example of the difference between winning because of something vs. in spite of something. People make mistakes all the time but still win, and then erroneously connect what they've done wrong as part of why they won.

Looks like you basically play all sim teams. You're likely to win those games almost regardless of whether you DT or not. (Although it's telling that you "got burned" by it earlier in the season.)

The DT does have a place in HD, you just have to know when to use it. If you're using it most or all of the time (and it sounds like you are, but I could be mistaken), then that's not optimum strategy.

I'm a newer coach and  was in my first year at a new school so yes I played almost all sims.  I also had only ever played 1 season with a man defense so I was experimenting with  the DTa few times in the regular season.  all in all I probably used the DT in 6 games during the regular season with mixed results but I won 2 CT games and 2 NT games using the DT with a different strategy and won all of those games.  I can't say for sure if the DT was a big reason why I won those games or not but it sure feels like it.