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soxfanjohn
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I have a max contract offered 10 mil bonus, 20 mil x 5, no trade, and player option on last year. He says he likes my city, but he is willing to overlook the ugly city becasue they are offering more money.

Does this mean I have no shot at him?
10/20/2011 12:29 PM
iain
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Unless the team with the #1 offer withdraws, yes.
10/20/2011 12:33 PM
soxfanjohn
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10/20/2011 12:38 PM
mlhutch
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Not necessarily if you haven't yet finished coach hiring.  The first tiebreaker is loyalty (if the original team is bidding and the guy was there for 5+ seasons).  The 2nd tiebreaker is coaching.  If you are going after a pitcher, you need the highest pitching/bullpen coach combo.  For a position player, you need a the highest hitting/fielding coach combo.

Good luck!
10/20/2011 12:51 PM
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Also, I think if you offer a no-trade that they didn't ask for it may give priority to someone who did not offer the no-trade. 
10/20/2011 1:28 PM
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I'm not sure that there's any scenario in which a NTC would be treated as having negative value in a contract offer.
10/20/2011 1:49 PM
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It doesn't help if they don't ask for it, and it certainly doesn't hurt.
10/20/2011 1:52 PM
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Posted by mlhutch on 10/20/2011 12:51:00 PM (view original):
Not necessarily if you haven't yet finished coach hiring.  The first tiebreaker is loyalty (if the original team is bidding and the guy was there for 5+ seasons).  The 2nd tiebreaker is coaching.  If you are going after a pitcher, you need the highest pitching/bullpen coach combo.  For a position player, you need a the highest hitting/fielding coach combo.

Good luck!
Do we have proof of this somewhere?  Other than the loyalty thing being the first tiebreaker, I thought all the other tiebreakers (record from last year, coaches, ballpark) were factored in at the same time.  To me, it'd be really dumb for a guy to sign a max contract with a 50-win team instead of a 100-win team just because they have the best pitching coach around.
10/20/2011 2:11 PM (edited)
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Posted by soursurfer on 10/20/2011 2:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mlhutch on 10/20/2011 12:51:00 PM (view original):
Not necessarily if you haven't yet finished coach hiring.  The first tiebreaker is loyalty (if the original team is bidding and the guy was there for 5+ seasons).  The 2nd tiebreaker is coaching.  If you are going after a pitcher, you need the highest pitching/bullpen coach combo.  For a position player, you need a the highest hitting/fielding coach combo.

Good luck!
Do we have proof of this somewhere?  Other than the loyalty thing being the first tiebreaker, I thought all the other tiebreakers (record from last year, coaches, ballpark) were factored in at the same time.  To me, it'd be really dumb for a guy to sign a max contract with a 50-win team instead of a 100-win team just because they have the best pitching coach around.
It's not dumb.  Maybe in real life it'd be dumb.  But this is supposed to be a game where each GM has equal resources.  If I join a world taking over a team that won 50 games last season, I'm not given equal resources as others because I'm going to have a hard time signing free agents.  I think eliminating team's record is just a trick WIS uses to make really bad teams slightly more desireable for people to pay to take over.
10/20/2011 2:13 PM
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Remember, this only comes into play on tied contracts, which in most cases means max contracts.  Otherwise, the 50-win team can sign anyone he wants as long as he offers $1 more.  And they don't eliminate the previous season's record because it IS a tiebreaker, per this quote from the updates thread:

"The tiebreakers are as follows: Playoff contention (based on last seasons winning %), coaching staff, and ballpark."

Actually, that quote even lists them in the order that makes sense, to me.  I've never read anywhere that coaching staff comes before record, which was why I was wondering where the assertion that coaching staff came second came from.
 

10/20/2011 2:18 PM
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Coaching staff is stressed because it is something you can change during free agency.  You cant change last season's record without the cheat codes.
10/20/2011 3:28 PM
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10/20/2011 4:03 PM
soursurfer
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Stressed by owners, though, yeah?  Not the system.  It's only, at best I think, equally as important as last year's record.  Might be less than that.     
10/20/2011 4:27 PM
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Posted by soursurfer on 10/20/2011 2:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by mlhutch on 10/20/2011 12:51:00 PM (view original):
Not necessarily if you haven't yet finished coach hiring.  The first tiebreaker is loyalty (if the original team is bidding and the guy was there for 5+ seasons).  The 2nd tiebreaker is coaching.  If you are going after a pitcher, you need the highest pitching/bullpen coach combo.  For a position player, you need a the highest hitting/fielding coach combo.

Good luck!
Do we have proof of this somewhere?  Other than the loyalty thing being the first tiebreaker, I thought all the other tiebreakers (record from last year, coaches, ballpark) were factored in at the same time.  To me, it'd be really dumb for a guy to sign a max contract with a 50-win team instead of a 100-win team just because they have the best pitching coach around.
How about experience?  I given out a fair number of max contracts and won against multiple bidders.  Every time it came down to the coaching staff tiebreaker.

Oh yeah, and they posted it in an update message somewhere too.
10/20/2011 5:47 PM
soursurfer
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How do you know it came down to the coaching staff tiebreaker, when 3 factors are reportedly in play?  Was your record worse than the teams you were bidding against? (in my personal experience, the team with the most wins a year ago has won out)

Also, if you could find that update message, that would be great.  Because all of the mentions from SiteStaff I've found haven't supported what you're saying.
10/20/2011 5:50 PM
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