I don't usually post too much on this forum, but how about Dayne Christ from ND....he has to be the biggest freaking joke for a 5 star recruit I've ever seen.  I've been a ND fan for the past 25 years, and i've never seen a QB as bad as him.  Anyone seen a worse five star recruit over the years?

Darell Scott at Colorado

But that play made me laugh. Good call putting him back in coach.

you know, Notre Dame really isn't all that good anymore

I have to agree, but I have been watching them for ages....obviously when you like a team, you don't just give up on them.  That is, unless you like to jump on bandwagon's.

Notre Dame still gets good players.  Not Alabama/LSU good, but they should be a top 25 team this year.  The Michigan game should have been a victory and the USC game was one bone headed fumble from Crist away from being a game. 

I am a loyal ND fan, so I am biased, but I really sense they are on the verge with Brian Kelly to being Notre Dame again.  Weiss couldnt motivate kids, Willingham was so bad I try to forget we had him.  But Kelly is one of those guys that will put them back on the map. 

They have the QB in Rees for the next couple of years.  If you have a nice QB in college, you have a shot. 

Your fanhood is blinding you to reality.  Until Notre Dame eases up on the academic standards for student athletes they will never "be Notre Dame again."  I'm not a Notre Dame fan, but I hope they don't do that.  I'm pretty sure if I were a fan I'd still want my team to uphold it's high academic standards even if it means Brian Kelly and an incredibly cushy NBC contract can't make my team a true BCS contender.

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/23/2011 6:14:00 AM (view original):
Your fanhood is blinding you to reality.  Until Notre Dame eases up on the academic standards for student athletes they will never "be Notre Dame again."  I'm not a Notre Dame fan, but I hope they don't do that.  I'm pretty sure if I were a fan I'd still want my team to uphold it's high academic standards even if it means Brian Kelly and an incredibly cushy NBC contract can't make my team a true BCS contender.

This is how I feel about Michigan.  Even if Hoke can't get them back to where they used to be, I'm positive he'll stop trying to get the half-retard guys that Rich Rod was going for.  I'm looking at you, Demar Dorsey.

Also hopefully a qb that can, you know...throw the football.

I'm mostly ambivalent about ND but their arrogance bugs me.   It's also not right that they have an easier qualification for a BCS bowl than Boise St.

However, I live in a Cincinnati suburb and know Brian Kelly is a great coach. If anyone can elevate ND, he's the man.

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/23/2011 6:14:00 AM (view original):
Your fanhood is blinding you to reality.  Until Notre Dame eases up on the academic standards for student athletes they will never "be Notre Dame again."  I'm not a Notre Dame fan, but I hope they don't do that.  I'm pretty sure if I were a fan I'd still want my team to uphold it's high academic standards even if it means Brian Kelly and an incredibly cushy NBC contract can't make my team a true BCS contender.

Stanford's  standards are no less and look at them.

Posted by mullycj on 10/23/2011 8:45:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/23/2011 6:14:00 AM (view original):
Your fanhood is blinding you to reality.  Until Notre Dame eases up on the academic standards for student athletes they will never "be Notre Dame again."  I'm not a Notre Dame fan, but I hope they don't do that.  I'm pretty sure if I were a fan I'd still want my team to uphold it's high academic standards even if it means Brian Kelly and an incredibly cushy NBC contract can't make my team a true BCS contender.

Stanford's  standards are no less and look at them.

I had the same thought, mully. Although I'd bet against Stanford being able to maintain this.

With the right coach, Michigan and Notre Dame can be powerhouses. That's been proven time and again.

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/23/2011 6:14:00 AM (view original):
Your fanhood is blinding you to reality.  Until Notre Dame eases up on the academic standards for student athletes they will never "be Notre Dame again."  I'm not a Notre Dame fan, but I hope they don't do that.  I'm pretty sure if I were a fan I'd still want my team to uphold it's high academic standards even if it means Brian Kelly and an incredibly cushy NBC contract can't make my team a true BCS contender.

Notre Dame wouldn't be "Notre Dame again" without keeping their high academic standards. Some schools would rather stay true to their core values than sacrifice them to become a football factory. There's a reason why ND is a more prestigous football school than, say, Georgia, Arkansas, etc.

It's only Brian Kelley's 2nd year and he already has ND well on its way to BCS contention. It takes time to undo the mess that Charlie Weis made.

And this is coming from a USC fan

Neither Stanford nor certainly Michigan have the same academic standards for student athletes that ND has.  Stanford definitely finds ways to work in athletes who don't come close to the school's normal admission standards and get them through incredibly simple cobbled-together majors.  ND holds their football players to essentially the same standards as any other high school kids trying to get in to that school and succeed at it.  Stanford's system is the more standard, but there is a lot to be said for the way ND does it...  I really don't like ND, but I have to respect them for the way they run their program.

Notre Dame will be good again.  When they make a good coaching hire.  The academic standards are not the problem, they are an excuse.  If they were really that much of an obstacle Stanford would always be awful because Stanford is a much better university, and it is much harder to get into Stanford than ND (unless you count the fact that ND weights legacies above actual academic accomplishments - which does make it hard for people to get into ND if their dad didn't go there, but this of course has nothing to do with any academic issues) - and everyone except for ND fans understand this.  The problem has been their administration and its never ending search for the non-existent perfect Notre Dame coach.  They overthink every hire and have ended up with total moron coaches since Holtz left. Kelly is another example, historically he hasn't had any defense and that won't work.  They are 58th in total defense, that's not going to produce amazing seasons.  Stanford is #18 in total defense and they compete at a level that reflects that.  Nobody can produce any evidence that Stanford took shortcuts and recruited dummies to get to where they are, because they didn't.  They hired the right coaches.  Davies was terrible.  O'Leary got hired because of his last name and he was a fraud.  Willingham was not given very long but didn't appear to be headed anywhere; probably never should have been hired.  Weis was an arrogant buffoon who was all about his paycheck and nothing else; whined and pointed fingers when he wasn't successful.  Kelly was hired for his name, and ND looked the other way on the fact that he is another arrogant buffoon who doesn't understand defense. 

I do think CFB is more fun when ND is contending for national titles, and I'd like to see that return.  It won't under Brian Kelly.  

A list of all the 5 star recruits from Rivals since 2002, how they did, and where they are now:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1240142

Between 2002-2005 Stanford had an average SAT of 1123 for incoming freshman recruits. The admissions dean had set the minimal SAT at between 1100-1200.
After a 1-11 season in 2006 the new admissions dean agree with the football program and lowered the standards.

From 1989-1993 the average SAT of Notre Dame freshman football recruits was 899.   By 2010 it was up to 1025.
A couple months ago Notre Dame also decided to lower their academic requirements for incoming football recruits.  
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/6891705-419/looser-academic-disciplinary-criteria-show-irish-ready-to-play-ball.html