reason for lack of progression? Topic

kjmulli
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Just wondering if anyone could shed some light on why this prospect of mine didn't progress at all this season. I have competent coaches at AA and he got plenty of playing time. Can't figure it out and I don't think I've ever had it happen to a prospect of mine.

Victor Ortiz
11/9/2011 9:52 PM
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My best guess would be that he was a 21 year old IFA.  IFA's over 20 usually see very little development.  I would still have expected more growth than he had, though, with regular playing time, a very good AA pitching coach and 19 mill in training.

11/9/2011 10:00 PM
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Posted by kcden on 11/9/2011 10:00:00 PM (view original):

My best guess would be that he was a 21 year old IFA.  IFA's over 20 usually see very little development.  I would still have expected more growth than he had, though, with regular playing time, a very good AA pitching coach and 19 mill in training.

Yep, this is what 22 yo IFAs do.
11/9/2011 11:10 PM
kjmulli
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I've signed 21 year old IFA's before who have progressed though -- below is one example. I understand they're not going to gain 10+ points in each category like younger IFA's would, but almost no progression at all seems weird to me.

Davey Rivera
11/9/2011 11:32 PM
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Honesty, I attribute his lack of development to Floyd Mayweather.
11/10/2011 2:01 AM
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Posted by kjmulli on 11/9/2011 11:32:00 PM (view original):
I've signed 21 year old IFA's before who have progressed though -- below is one example. I understand they're not going to gain 10+ points in each category like younger IFA's would, but almost no progression at all seems weird to me.

Davey Rivera
The obvious difference between Ortiz and Rivera is that Rivera was a much better ballplayer at 21 than Ortiz was. In my experience, 21 year old IFAs only continue to progress if they are already pretty good when they sign.

I can't see any projections, but based on where Ortiz was at 21, he didn't have much ceiling anyway. He definitely had no business getting an MLB contract and taking up a spot on your 40 man roster.  
11/10/2011 5:34 AM
kjmulli
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Yeah the MLB deal was me not wanting to get stuck with my leftover prospect money and thinking 5 mil might not be enough to get him. But at the time I signed him he projected to be a back of the rotation ML starter. If he could have improved a few points here and there it would have helped him get to the majors but, as it stands now he's looking like a bust I suppose.
11/10/2011 9:12 AM
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every prospect has a different development pattern.  this guy's pattern was "don't improve at all"

some prospects are like that.
11/10/2011 10:53 AM
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