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jamespastine
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from the FAQ:

Q: Will computer-controlled teams automatically accept my game request?
A: Most of the time yes, but there are some schools that may reject your offer outright while other schools may be open to playing - but only on their home floor.

I'm not totally sure why this game setting was initially installed in the game. And i can't say i've run into it at all lately. Perhaps it was to keep idiots like myself from scheduling all of the top 10 teams (back when worlds weren't full and some of the best teams were still Sims) and getting my butt handed to me repeatedly. (i probably would've quit.)

i think a modification to this game setting is probably due. Something that would work in reverse and keep the top teams from scheduling an all sim-AI, all-away schedule for the sole reason of racking up a 10-0 non-con record. Perhaps some setting to regulate how many away games are scheduled against significantly inferior competition. Perhaps some setting to regulate how many sims you can schedule.

thoughts?
2/27/2012 12:40 AM
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until NT selection is perfect I don't want any changes messing with my ability to help shape RPI.

Also, define "top teams" and "significantly inferior competition"
2/27/2012 4:13 AM
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The all-Sim all-away scheduling strategy is nowhere near as effective as it was before the recent change in NT selection criteria. It is now much harder to make the NT by simply manipulating your schedule to get a misleadingly good RPI. You actually have to beat some quality teams along the way now, so I consider this "loophole" largely resolved.
2/27/2012 8:12 AM
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i respectfully disagree, professor. getting an entire conference to schedule a 10-0 non-con is by far the easiest way to ensure you get 8 NT teams and 4 in the PT.

as for "defining 'top teams' and 'significantly inferior competition' " perhaps set a limit of 5 games or so in which your total team rating is 150 or more points higher than your competition. that can't be that difficult. all teams have ratings.
2/27/2012 9:39 AM
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OK, I was talking a single team in a vacuum, not a concerted effort by an entire conference. Nevertheless, I don't think I like the idea of placing abitrary restrictions on who you can schedule. Just from a practical standpoint, if you limit how many sim teams someone can schedule, what happens if you forget to schedule until late, or simply don't schedule? What if all your requests to humans get ignored or rejected? What then? 
2/27/2012 11:40 AM
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Yes, at high level D1, with a full conference, you can still manipulate your non-con by easy scheduling en masse on the road.. In most worlds in D2 and D3, though, you have at most 4 guys in a conference, and 8 very bad sims. So I agree with professor, IMHO for the most part, the new projection list really does spell out that you have to schedule a good non-con when your conference is weak.

2/27/2012 2:41 PM
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One solution is to have a certain number of Division I "Television games". These would be system-scheduled between high-ranked -- say, B or better prestige -- schools. A+ teams would have five such games scheduled; A four, A- three; B+ two; and B one. These games would be netural-court games. They wouldn't necessarily have to be A+ vs. A+, but it would provide for more realistic scheduling.
2/27/2012 2:50 PM
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I think it would be nice for anybody to schedule non-conference games as neutral court games, not just "TV" games.  As far as stopping the 10-0 road game idea, why not give "ticket sales" to home teams, like $2000 extra in recruiting for each NC home game played.  If you want to play 10 on the road, fine, but you lose out on potentially $20,000.  The neutral court games could split the $2000.  You could even do this in D3 and D2, just maybe $1000 in D2 and $500 in D3.   

2/27/2012 5:20 PM
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Even at high-level D1, it's not a slam dunk that you can schedule 10 away sims and always make the NT (unless the whole conference is doing it). Believe me, I've tried that with two of my Big 6 teams over the past 4 seasons, on account of their being borderline in talent, and wanting to guarantee enough wins for a .500 record just to be eligible for the NT. And partially to get a really good sense of what you could get away with in the new selection criteria.

The average conference record of those 8 teams was 6-10, average RPI was 40, and I was only 3-for-8 in making the NT. My conclusion is that you're playing with fire using this method unless the whole conference is doing it, or unless your team is good enough that they're sure to make the NT anyway and you know you'll get plenty of quality wins in conference. If you're a bubble team or borderline team, it's a high-risk strategy, but may be your only option if you think you might struggle to get to 13 or 14 wins.
2/27/2012 7:47 PM
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Has there ever been any thought of the inclusion of non-conference, early season tournaments?  To me at least, this seems like something that will eventually be added for a sense of realism.  For the sake of not complicating scheduling too much, there could be "consolation" games for the losers to ensure that every team plays the same number of games (not that it matters in real life though).
2/27/2012 10:06 PM
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No ...I've never seen that suggestion before.

2/28/2012 5:36 AM
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Posted by clouseb on 2/27/2012 10:06:00 PM (view original):
Has there ever been any thought of the inclusion of non-conference, early season tournaments?  To me at least, this seems like something that will eventually be added for a sense of realism.  For the sake of not complicating scheduling too much, there could be "consolation" games for the losers to ensure that every team plays the same number of games (not that it matters in real life though).
Go to the Iba Forum, Yarnell thread. It's an annual round-robin tournament that's been going on for awhile. Anyone can organize a tournament...it doesn't require WIS intervention.
2/28/2012 5:45 AM
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Posted by mullycj on 2/28/2012 5:36:00 AM (view original):

No ...I've never seen that suggestion before.

not this week

has been suggested and WIS has said it is on the list of items for future action - has said so for years
2/28/2012 6:09 AM
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I don't think there should a recruiting $ bonus for 10 home games, but I am a strong proponent that there should be a recruiting $ penalty for every number of home games under 5 that you schedule.  Whatever the case, I believe that scheduling some include some financial elements.
2/28/2012 10:39 AM
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