I am that point where I expect to compete for a NT each season.  I don't but I expect to.   Is this guy a VERY GOOD DII point guard in the Triangle.   I don't expect him to score, I just need him to play defense, not turn the ball over, and hopefully increase the likelihood of others making shots.

 I think he's an excellent DIII PG

I think when you are matched up against a fast pg he will get into foul trouble very easily, especially playing man.  He'd probably be great against Simai teams.  I would, however, love to have that guy play SF against the press, but I don;t think his speed is enough to be effective against good competition.

Then again, I know little about this game and even less about the triangle

id use him at sf.

Why?  His still won't score and won't be that good of a defender in the post.

Why wouldnt' you want him to score?  At SF, he can score just by virtue of his ath/bh.  Add in the per and he could be a very good scorer.  What's his FT?  I would think about putting this guy at SF, but it depends on the team and defense you run.

As for PG, I think the speed is going to severely hinder him against high-level D2 guards.  I'm not saying he'll get dominated every game, but if you are expecting to make an NT run, I doubt he holds up from the Round of 32 through the NC against all the great guards he'll be playing against.

His LP is the teens.

I have found it really needs to be about 30 to be an effective 2 point shooter.  Am I wrong?

I think the guy has great attributes except the speed. I don't even think that's half bad unless he's pitted against a fast guard in man defense, and even then I wonder if the engine would take that into account as much as we might expect.

Just those ratings there should make him a good to great DII guard even with the lower speed. He should have no problem scoring with that PER rating combined with the ATH, and his passing isn't elite but it wouldn't have to be in order for him to do well at DII.

Actually, comparing his ratings to most of the DII teams I'm familiar with and their guards, he looks like am amazing guard to have at DII and he could probably do all right for himself at DI. The defense and athleticism alone are amazing for DII, let alone having a PER rating that high and some passing and BH ability.

I'm not sure how anyone can say this player will ever "get destroyed" based upon his attributes when he'd be a great PG on any DII team I've looked at (most of them use players far worse in ratings than him).

I think the low speed will  make him turn the ball over against press teams.   If I had to guess, I think the equation for pre shot turnovers is something like:

Offenses SPD + BH (primarily the PG's) vs Defenses SPD + DEF

I think this is where he gets beat....


On defense, I think his ATH and DEF will cover his SPD defenciency.   I am pretty sure perimeter defense weighs ATH, DEF and SPEED reasonably equally.

I still maintain that if they actually have enough to notice BLK factors into perimeter defense as well, but I'm not really wanting to get into that fight again...

I think that many, many coaches overrate the importance of speed on both offense and defense at the PG position.  Doesn't mean I don't think a faster guy would be better; in fact, it would be one of the highest priorities for a D2 PG, quite possibly the #1 attribute I would recruit for.  But because they have this gut feeling, largely developed I think from watching real world basketball, that a 50 speed PG will get lit up on both ends, nobody actually TRIES playing a 50 speed PG in D2, if they're willing to do it in D3.  They just say, "hey, that guy must be an SF with that speed."  There's nothing wrong with a perimeter-scoring SF.  I think that guy would be a great D2 SF.  Elite almost.  But he can be a solid PG if you need a PG.  He will turn it over much less than you anticipate I think, he won't shoot quite as well at PG but he'll be decent, and he'll play perfectly adequate (read: still above average) defense at the 1 for you.  Absolutely speed is important and valuable, but at D2 and D3 you can overcome virtually any shortcoming with very good other ratings.  I hate to play a PG who isn't a good passer, but you can get away with one who isn't particularly fast.

Trying to compare speeds is ridiculous, the engine doesn't do it so coaches should stop doing it.  IE, the engine never says "offensive player has 80 speed, defensive player has 40, so the offensive guy will run roughshod all over and around that slowpoke."  We want it to work that way, but it just doesn't.  If your all-around offense and defense are good enough it doesn't matter which attributes they come from.

I think too many of you are comparing this guy only to other elite players and highlighting his lower speed as a huge glaring weakness when I'm not sure that's the case.

Most DII teams I look at would probably love to have this guy play PG for them. I'm sure there are other better choices for starting PG, but I can't imagine there are too many who would develop to this level or better at DII.