Are they stud, mediocre or bad players?

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=2917164

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=2901418

They both have three years, I redshirted one of them. Still room to grow so they will be my first two 800 players.

They're both mediocre. Solid offensive players, but focus more on ATH and DEF (keys to the game), rather than overall rating. Have you read aejones' guide to D3? It'll help you tremendously.

they're good players. You know they're good players. You don't need to ask. With your super class set-up, anything less than an elite 8 next year would be a disappointment. Self reliance: trust yourself.

those guys are fine for ath and def. On most teams they'd be at least secondary scorers, but you have so much scoring potential on this team that these guys are probably best as backups or played in combination with a few of the other scorers at a time with them as backup s so that your second unit can score even better than your first. With that 0-6-6-0 structure if you fine tune the offense you should make a coupe deep runs...defense will be average probably and another hot shooting team that plays better D will maybe bring you up short.

Parshall is a defensive liability......he's gonna get abused by smart coaches if you start him....if you bring him off the bench and make it difficult to match up on him he should be a very good player.

Posted by ab90 on 3/20/2015 10:28:00 PM (view original):
they're good players. You know they're good players. You don't need to ask. With your super class set-up, anything less than an elite 8 next year would be a disappointment. Self reliance: trust yourself.

Self-reliance, trust yourself.  Coming from you?  The guy who won't stay at any team more than 3-4 seasons?  The guy who cherry picks only high prestige teams and when there isn't one, sits out of the world until another one eventually comes open?  Why is it that you hop around so much, do you not trust yourself, your own recruiting?  Just about the time a team would be full of predominantly your recruits, "POOF" you're gone.  What happened to self-reliance and trusting yourself?  How many of my old teams have you grabbed immediately after I left?  I know of two for sure, any others I missed?

Self-reliance and trusting yourself coming from this guy......

Every team you have was at a minimum an A- prestige when you picked them up.  Several were at an A+.  Take your own advice, trust yourself.  Do the hard work yourself for once and then dispense your self-reliant advice.

Posted by zorzii on 3/20/2015 8:48:00 PM (view original):
Are they stud, mediocre or bad players?

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=2917164

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=0&pid=2901418

They both have three years, I redshirted one of them. Still room to grow so they will be my first two 800 players.

Heckman is fine.  Parshall will probably be a disappointment to you, at least relative to what you're probably expecting.  Don't get me wrong, I'd take either one of them in a heartbeat.  I've had far less talented players than these guys win me championships before, they'll be fine.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing terribly wrong with either player, they just have their biggest weaknesses in some rather key areas.  Don't let any coach of a D2 team tell you they wouldn't have these guys on their own team though, if they do say that, they're lying.

I love it when other coaches comment on a thread and trash the players in question, but when you look at "their" players, they've got far worse sitting on their rosters.  This isn't directed at anyone specifically in this thread, I just noticed that it tends to happen all the time.  Simply a product of "damn, he's not on my roster, so I'm going to make the other coach feel like he's not as good as he really is".  These type coaches always point out these big flaws, yet their rosters are littered with players with the same flaws only worse, or the kicker, players who look almost exactly like the ones in question.

These two players are fine Zorzii and for someone who has only very recently started playing, good job finding and signing talent like those two.  As I told you before in the conference we shared for a season, you've really picked the game up exceptionally quick.  Good job and keep up the good work!

I am pretty happy with Heckman, not sure about Parshall but the thread confirm my doubts. I hope to get to the NT with St-Edward's this year and get deep into the NT tourney next year.

Posted by zorzii on 3/21/2015 11:58:00 AM (view original):
I am pretty happy with Heckman, not sure about Parshall but the thread confirm my doubts. I hope to get to the NT with St-Edward's this year and get deep into the NT tourney next year.

And I think those are very realistic goals.  One way to "kind of" offset liabilities due to ratings is to have a very high IQ team.  With your set-up, which looks like a 6-6-0-0 to me (I think it was mentioned that it was a 6-0-6-0), having a roster full of high IQ's should be pretty much a given by the time those players reach Jr/Sr status.

One thing to remember (and I'm often guilty of it myself) is that stuff happens in the NT.  Teams that are loaded and should be "locks" for an extended run are upset early.  A double digit seed makes a Final Four run, a powerhouse team in a conference full of Sims, that should be a 1 seed but ends up a 4/5 gets a bad seed because of the lack of competition and gets stuck in a bracket with a legit number one seed meaning a badass team is out two rounds too early, etc.  If you play long enough, you'll have all these things happen either to you or against you and you've got to try your best to not get too upset or disappointed (which, again, I have a hard time doing myself).  I just won the D2 title in Iba with Wisc.-Parkside and that team was quite possibly the weakest team I've ever had that won a title.  I actually posted on our message board early in the season that I thought we would probably go out in the first round, assuming we made the NT at all.  That's how little confidence I had in that team.  Yet they ended up going all the way.  And I've had teams that should have cruised right through the tourney and by the start of the second weekend we were home watching.

The point to all that was not to get too disappointed if your goal of a deep run isn't met.  There are a ton of things that could go wrong.  You've only just started playing and are already doing remarkably well.  It won't be long at all until you win your first title and I would venture to say that you'll probably have more than one by the end of this year.  Good luck and keep doing what you're doing because you're doing it well!

Heckman is a very, very good player.  You can put him anywhere from the 3 to the 5 and he's going to help you.  While I wouldn't have rushed to recruit Parshall, he's a very useful part of a bench rotation.  The exceptional speed (for a big) is going to help mitigate that ATH and DEF, and he can definitely score.  He could put up double figures off the bench, given the playing time.

Note: I'm evaluating them totally out of context - I haven't looked at the rest of the team.

Posted by emy1013 on 3/21/2015 11:22:00 AM (view original):

Posted by ab90 on 3/20/2015 10:28:00 PM (view original):
they're good players. You know they're good players. You don't need to ask. With your super class set-up, anything less than an elite 8 next year would be a disappointment. Self reliance: trust yourself.

Self-reliance, trust yourself.  Coming from you?  The guy who won't stay at any team more than 3-4 seasons?  The guy who cherry picks only high prestige teams and when there isn't one, sits out of the world until another one eventually comes open?  Why is it that you hop around so much, do you not trust yourself, your own recruiting?  Just about the time a team would be full of predominantly your recruits, "POOF" you're gone.  What happened to self-reliance and trusting yourself?  How many of my old teams have you grabbed immediately after I left?  I know of two for sure, any others I missed?

Self-reliance and trusting yourself coming from this guy......

Every team you have was at a minimum an A- prestige when you picked them up.  Several were at an A+.  Take your own advice, trust yourself.  Do the hard work yourself for once and then dispense your self-reliant advice.

You must be unhappy with life. P.S. My Ark Tech team full of my recruits won earlier this year against your recruits.

I invite you to go back and look at my muskingum history. Go for the central Arkansas one as well. While you spent all that time interested enough to research my life, you overlooked building those 2 programs. If you're going to be a petulant troll, at least do your petulant troll homework, dear.

Bahahahaha. The world was Crum for Central Arkansas. I didn't realize you left after one year there going 10-17. I went to the Final Four the next year with a team you were terrible with! I literally won where you could not. Bye, Felicia.

*Gets popcorn*

Posted by billscnb on 3/21/2015 6:55:00 PM (view original):
*Gets popcorn*

*steals popcorn and starts eating it*