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Regarding Teaparty's accusation that I copied Ligapelota's team 100%, this is not true.  Initially, I wanted to prove a pt (the name of the team) by doing so, but I subsequently replaced Dutch Leonard with 00 Kevin Brown who went 18-9, and 2b Zobrist with 86 Robinson who batted in 90 rbis.  I was criticized incessantly by Teaparty for doing so.  He told  me that it was wrong even though their are a myriad of owners using cookies.  He told me that I chose the wrong venue, that my pitching staff was lousy, and that I should have never traded Zobrist for Yank Robinson.  This team went on to win the OL without copying Ligapelota"s team 100%.  Additionally,  the reliever corp was somewhat different also with 09 Olmstead (who was directly responsibile in winning the finals, and 13 Will Smith who went 3-4 with a 1.15 WHIP.  I have a lot of respect for Ligapelota as an owner, and this team was meant as no disrespect to him.  My beef was with WIS by allowing the "overuse" of cookies, questioning why so few win so much of the time, and the stagnation that has occurred over the years without improving the game's overall standards.  
6/13/2015 1:06 PM (edited)
I don't see what the big deal is about copying other teams, using cookies, etc.  It's each owner's money, let them do what they want.  I know I've learned by looking at what other owners do and trying some of those strategies for myself to see how they work - now if I could only get those strategies to work as well for me!

BTW, this is not a backhanded way of saying you copied a team; it's a comment on teambuilding and criticism thereof.
6/13/2015 1:26 PM
Posted by slotterhodge on 6/13/2015 1:26:00 PM (view original):
I don't see what the big deal is about copying other teams, using cookies, etc.  It's each owner's money, let them do what they want.  I know I've learned by looking at what other owners do and trying some of those strategies for myself to see how they work - now if I could only get those strategies to work as well for me!

BTW, this is not a backhanded way of saying you copied a team; it's a comment on teambuilding and criticism thereof.
To be honest, I don't know that people are so upset about team copying.  It all goes back to the core issue: it wouldn't be a problem if there were more frequent updates (or updates at all, at this point).  Copying goes away when the game engine changes!

And feel free to copy any team you want and enter it in my new theme, "There's no 'we' in Team".

OK, I have no pride ...
6/13/2015 2:20 PM
Play in theme leagues or progressives and this can't/won't happen.
6/13/2015 5:31 PM
Posted by frazzman80 on 6/13/2015 5:31:00 PM (view original):
Play in theme leagues or progressives and this can't/won't happen.
Exactly. Do some reading in Theme League Classifieds and expand your horizons, O fellow simmers, for the most interesting SLB. Caveat emptor, open leagues.
6/13/2015 7:45 PM
I think I will move into theme leagues.  OL are getting somewhat redundant, and without frequent updates, it always will remain a stalemate with everybody trying to put together that perfect team which, after numerous attempts, I feel is impossible given the current state of affairs with SIM programmers.
6/13/2015 9:11 PM
I think most of us burn out on OLs.  I'm in a few now, mostly with gimmicky teams or trying out some new theory for future use (always the optimist ...).  The last time I frequented OLs this much was back in the 1894 Pitching glitch: I toyed with my team, refined it over a few seasons, then once I won a couple championships it lost its luster and I moved on almost exclusively to Themes for years.  So, maybe we'll start seeing a new wave of Theme participants, as I hardly recognize most of the names with which I am competing in OLs now!
6/14/2015 3:29 AM
Reading this I got an image of pinotfan playing WIS on some steampunk computer network in 1894 outwitting the manager of the Baltimore Orioles with Willie Keeler and John McGraw ! 

"I remember during the 1894 Pitching Glitch, times was hard back then, and men played hardball, no gloves - they was fa' sissies..."
6/14/2015 5:58 AM
lol - I can see reading it that way!

For those of you who haven't been here that long, the one thing I'll say about the current engine is at least the game is somewhat realistic.  The 1894 Pitching Glitch to which I refer was when the SIM engine allowed 1894 pitching to WAY overperform.  The most extreme example I ever fielded - and won a WS with - had an entire pitching staff of under $13 million INCLUDING Milacki and McDowell in AAA all season and then starting basically every other game in the playoffs.  Imagine a $67 million OL offense with Milacki on the mound - astounding.  But like I said, it got old.  Once the challenge of seeing just how little I could spend on pitching was met, there wasn't much of a point in playing in OLs any more.
6/14/2015 2:16 PM
I see your point.  I'm moving on to theme leagues and/or progressives.   Thanks.
6/14/2015 4:08 PM



ANTI    COPYING OTHER TEAM ROSTERS
6/14/2015 7:50 PM
how about a little fire, scarecrow??
6/14/2015 10:16 PM
The original Boston Tea Party was a physical assault at night on the private property of the world's largest multinational corporation, the British East India Company. 

The slogan of the American Revolution was NOT "down with taxes" but "No Taxation without Representation". 

The Founders FOUNDED a strong central national government when they wrote the Constitution afterward, since there was already a small government, locally-run thing (Articles of Confederation) in place. Which they were not satisfied with. 

Alexander Hamilton's famous "Report on Manufacturers" was an attack on free markets/free trade policy, and is now associated with its modern versions: 1) "Infant Industries" theory, whereby developing countries have a right to have a major state role in developing their economies and newfound industries and to protect them with tariffs at least until they are in a position to compete with the companies of richer, more developed states; 2) "strategic industries" theory, whereby even for highly developed countries, some industries are matters of life and death, or are crucial to the future development of the country, or are matters of national security and so a high degree of state involvement in the economy, in assisting industries and economic development and infrastructure are justified even in a capitalist system, and 3) "import substitution" - later mainly practiced in postwar Latin American countries, in which countries close off imports from richer, and more developed countries whose companies, like the East India Company, could wipe out their local ones by selling more cheaply, and develop industries, products, resources, etc. that can provide substitute products to those that would other be imported and which would render the country a helpless dependent economically of the more advanced states (a state also later called "neo-imperialism" or further analyzed in "dependency" theory). So Hamilton and the economic policy of the United States until around World War I was based on these, and not Adam Smith's and other free market or free trade ideas. It would have been pretty pointless to fight 7 years to win independence from Britain only to then be totally dependent on their companies, their banks and their economy. The Founders knew better and so do many countries in the Global South that know enough to fight to be independent of today's global corporations and world markets.

How these events and realities that define the American Revolution ended up in the hands of "it's mine, it's mine, it's all mine !" individualist anti-tax all the time types boggles the mind. 

In any case, as to our WIS colleague, I reiterate (and he is in no way related to the arguments I have made here, nor do I have any reason to think he shares my views), TeaParty used that username before 2008 and before the political Tea Party came about, and I have seen nothing to suggest that it comes from any particular ideological agenda, but rather the more general, shared and generic reference to patriotic memory and to the American Revolution. 
6/15/2015 8:43 AM
Q: When you see around the globe the maldistribution of wealth, the desperate plight of millions of people in underdeveloped countries, when you see so few haves and so many have-nots, when you see the greed and the concentration of power, did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism and whether greed’s a good idea to run on?
 
A: Well, first of all, tell me, is there some society you know that doesn’t run on greed? You think Russia doesn’t run on greed? You think China doesn’t run on greed? Of course none of us are greedy. It’s only the other fellow who’s greedy. The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the auto industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade. If you want to know where the masses are worst off, it’s exactly the kinds of societies that depart from that. So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear that there is no alternative way, so far discovered, of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by a free enterprise system.
6/15/2015 1:03 PM
How these events and realities that define the American Revolution ended up in the hands of "it's mine, it's mine, it's all mine !" individualist anti-tax all the time types boggles the mind.

Well, that's easy.  The revolution was fought to secure individual liberty while establishing a government of written laws under the consent of the governed.  Granted, of course, back then it was a narrow view of who was actually going to be enfranchised after the revolution.

A)  I'll tackle the "consent of governed" first.  We no longer live under a system of government by consent.  I am comfortable saying over 99% of federal laws are mandated by people elected by not a single person.  The federal bureaucrats, at the EPA, EEO, FCC, IRS, (you can name hundreds of agencies) are not accountable to anyone, literally anyone, yet they the write laws and frequently tax laws (or if you prefer fees, surcharges and levies.) 

B)  Individual Liberty - this is the enemy of the statists and the socialist and by extension the people who are the masters of the big house, the democratic party.  Everything they do, literally everything, is designed to substitute the collective group think for the individual person.  They have created a Department of Education that literally does not educate a single student.  They have created a department of Energy that literally does not create any energy.  The have created NASA which can no longer fly people to outer space.  We have a department of Commerce that tries to stop the transaction of business.  We have an agriculture department that literally pays people not to grow food.  We have a secretary of houseing and urban development whose latest mission is to move the slums to suburbia.  We have an EPA that literally views human beings as the enemy.  It goes on an on...

Of course, saying "it's mine, it's mine, it's all mine" is a natural and very human reaction to the tyrannical government which has already taken so much, with a smile




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