Drastically Reduce Rollover Time Topic

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Allow Simmy to run teams so seasons start after no more than 1-2 weeks off.

Simmy wouldn't make trades. Would draft according the default settings. Would play the best 25 players in the ML.  Promoted prospects every season.  Probably stay out of IFA.

I'm fairly confident Simmy would do a better job taking care of teams than many new GMs and those aren't really involved with the game.

At least Simmy wouldn't hand out stupid FA & IFA contracts.  Or ruin good prospects by not promoting them, playing them, or playing them until they are so run down they get big injuries.

If Simmy is even that good, it's already a better option than making worlds wait weeks to rollover.  (Assuming a majority of the humans in the world approve.)

One of the nice things about software is it can be changed.  Simmy can be reprogrammed to do a better job at anything Simmy is doing very poorly.

Of all the things WIS could do to make more money from HBD, letting worlds have teams run by Simmy would be the most profitable.  Sooner a world starts, sooner they collect the money for next season.  More money gives then capital and motivation to at least consider other improvements.
6/24/2015 5:38 PM (edited)
MikeT23
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 Since you were smart enough to realize YOU hijacked the thread....

An example of how well SIMMY manages teams:

 

  Club Owner MP W D L GF GA +/- Home Away Pts
1 CD Concepcion gwalumabroad 37 32 4 1 137 32 105 15-3-0 17-1-1 100
2 Temuco S.C. timberman 37 32 2 3 149 31 118 16-0-3 16-2-0 98
3 La U jc51186 37 30 4 3 149 38 111 16-2-1 14-2-2 94
4 Wolves MikeT23 37 27 4 6 146 43 103 13-1-4 14-3-2 85
5 Fuerza Maafp 37 24 4 9 140 59 81 13-3-3 11-1-6 76
6 Scorpians - 37 23 3 11 77 53 24 9-2-8 14-1-3 72
7 pass - 37 20 7 10 82 50 32 11-4-4 9-3-6 67
8 FC TC - 37 19 5 13 84 59 25 9-3-7 10-2-6 62
9 AS - 37 15 8 14 70 71 -1 9-3-6 6-5-8 53
10 EFC bargearse 37 14 6 17 74 75 -1 7-2-9 7-4-8 48
11 FCCP - 37 14 5 18 65 82 -17 7-1-10 7-4-8 47
12 Eomer FC - 37 13 7 17 65 66 -1 7-5-7 6-2-10 46
13 Cobras - 37 11 6 20 36 74 -38 4-3-11 7-3-9 39
14 Fc charlotte - 37 8 10 19 34 95 -61 3-7-8 5-3-11 34
15 DBLK - 37 9 5 23 29 82 -53 5-2-11 4-3-12 32
16 WATER - 37 8 4 25 35 105 -70 3-0-15 5-4-10 28
17 bar - 37 7 5 25 32 119 -87 3-2-13 4-3-12 26
18 Valpo - 37 4 6 27 36 121 -85 0-4-15 4-2-12 18
19 Bros - 37 4 5 28 29 111 -82 1-4-14 3-1-14 17
20 Ajax - 37 4 4 29 33 136 -103 1-1-17 3-3-12 16
6/24/2015 5:30 PM
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Of course the teams in the middle are .500(I refrained from calling you a dumbass in the other thread but the league average will be .500 whether or not it's user/simmy controlled).     But, if you look at the top, it's user owned teams.    In my experience, HD and GD, it was the same thing. 

That's what would happen in HBD.



As for hijacking the thread, please show me where the OP suggested that Simmy run teams should be an option.    Thanks in advance.
6/24/2015 5:31 PM
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Mike,

I pointed out what I think is a specific flaw in a generally excellent OP (Map HBD to Current MLB CBA).

And then I suggested a few specific solutions to a flaw. One of which would enable people to continue to play HBD sooner and more often even if another person in their world did something to make a team less desirable to other people.  The OP, as written, with no other changes, has a strong chance to make worse the biggest problem HBD currently has.

The biggest problem isn't that FA and IFA bidding could be improved.  The biggest problem is that there are too many teams nobody wants.

>> That's what would happen in HBD. <<  Sorry, but that's an ignorant statement.

Just because Mike doesn't know how to do something or understand something doesn't mean nobody else can understand it or do something about it.

There are very complex strategy games where humans play with and against simulations.  Just because WIS might have messed it up in HD or GD doesn't mean it can't be done better in HBD.
6/24/2015 5:38 PM
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So do you think, in your infinite wisdom, that WifS designed Simmy in GD, HD and soccer to be horrible?   To consistently be bottom feeders?   And to leave them that way?

What, good sir, makes you believe that WifS would redesign Simmy in it's most complicated Dynasty game to be better? 
6/24/2015 5:43 PM
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To put it another way, do you play Madden(or similar video games)?    At some point, even against Hall of Fame(or whatever top level they have), do you still win every game?

Do you, or do you not, think EA Sports has more resources than WifS to make the AI better?
6/24/2015 5:45 PM
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At the end of the day, AI is AI.   I imagine some Harvard grad working at NASA can build Chappie but that guy is not working at EA Sports or WifS.    So, given time, a semi-intelligent human will be better.

6/24/2015 5:48 PM
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FWIW, and I suggested this long ago, the better solution is to allow smaller worlds.

16, 20, 24, 28 and 32 would be just fine.    It would alleviate some problems immediately.   I imagine the same issues would arise at a later date but it's a better idea than bottom feeder Simmys populating worlds.
6/24/2015 5:51 PM
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I've played the soccer sim - which is, overall, probably about 70% sim team populated across all its worlds, perhaps more than 70% - since its very beginning.

Quite simply, being an owner knowing you're playing against sim teams is exploitable in itself.  In many, many ways, from daily gameplay to free agent allocation.  Across the board. 

And it greatly cheapens the gameplay experience.



6/24/2015 7:10 PM
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GD and HD are no better.   Which is why I wonder why tuft thinks WifS would make a better AI in it's most complicated game.

6/24/2015 7:15 PM
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Posted by damag on 6/24/2015 7:10:00 PM (view original):
I've played the soccer sim - which is, overall, probably about 70% sim team populated across all its worlds, perhaps more than 70% - since its very beginning.

Quite simply, being an owner knowing you're playing against sim teams is exploitable in itself.  In many, many ways, from daily gameplay to free agent allocation.  Across the board. 

And it greatly cheapens the gameplay experience.



I don't know how soccer sim or Gridiron Dynasty work or worked. 

It's possible that in soccer sim, you can make adjustments before I can to take advantage of the fact you're about to play a Simmy team.

How would you do that in HBD?

Please share 3 specific things you might do differently before every game if you knew the other team was being run by Simmy instead of a human?

6/25/2015 12:59 PM
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Because we know SIMMY sucks, as evidenced by the standings I provided, you rest your good players and wait for a game against humans.
6/25/2015 1:10 PM
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>> free agent allocation <<

I'm not proposing Simmy would be as good as the best HBD human GMs at signing FAs.

I know it wouldn't be hard to make Simmy better than the worst human HBD GMs.

Not hard to prevent Simmy from paying way too much.  Or signing old players to long, back-loaded contracts.

Or to get Simmy to sign the correct mix of players so the pitching staff can throw enough innings.  And a reasonable mix of position players so there are no Cs playing SS.

Mike often makes the case that in most worlds, most seasons, you could sign the FA's left over at the start of spring training and field a team that would win 65+ games.  I agree.  It would not take an MIT PHD to write the code that would allow the Sim run teams divide up those FAs, at those prices.

6/25/2015 1:11 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/24/2015 5:43:00 PM (view original):
So do you think, in your infinite wisdom, that WifS designed Simmy in GD, HD and soccer to be horrible?   To consistently be bottom feeders?   And to leave them that way?

What, good sir, makes you believe that WifS would redesign Simmy in it's most complicated Dynasty game to be better? 
Now, if you would, please respond to these simple questions. 

Thanks in advance.
6/25/2015 1:11 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 6/24/2015 5:45:00 PM (view original):
To put it another way, do you play Madden(or similar video games)?    At some point, even against Hall of Fame(or whatever top level they have), do you still win every game?

Do you, or do you not, think EA Sports has more resources than WifS to make the AI better?
Or address these questions.
6/25/2015 1:11 PM
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