Rule V Leg #49 - Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Angels and Twins have won recently), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on.  Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete.  We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible.  Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-2014) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first).  Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data.  Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and 2014
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season.  The scumbag finally won a couple of championships.  Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (welcome back!)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him at least four drafts)
7/12/2015 5:10 PM
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Player Draft Order.  Franchises that have been taken are marked in RED.

Worst-to-Best rankings (removing best & worst seasons)
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 6 364 608 0.3745
2 D'backs 12 850 1094 0.4372
3 Tigers 20 1450 1790 0.4475
4 Pirates 18 1368 1548 0.4691
5 White Sox 10 768 852 0.4741
6 Rockies 13 1000 1106 0.4748
7 Twins 24 1874 2015 0.4819
8 Rangers 18 1412 1505 0.4841
9 Blue Jays 26 2070 2143 0.4913
10 Angels 19 1515 1563 0.4922
11 Orioles 23 1844 1883 0.4948
12 Marlins 20 1606 1636 0.4954
13 Padres 24 1936 1952 0.4979
14 Brewers 23 1863 1866 0.4996
15 Mariners 29 2352 2347 0.5005
16 Expos 30 2437 2426 0.5011
17 Phillies 31 2524 2501 0.5023
18 Indians 29 2367 2332 0.5037
19 Reds 24 1961 1928 0.5042
20 Mets 28 2307 2230 0.5085
21 Cubs 22 1813 1751 0.5087
22 Braves 29 2391 2307 0.5089
23 Red Sox 30 2481 2380 0.5104
24 Giants 29 2404 2296 0.5115
25 Royals 26 2167 2046 0.5144
26 Cardinals 30 2525 2336 0.5194
27 Yankees 26 2237 1975 0.5311
28 Dodgers 29 2507 2193 0.5334
29 A's 30 2616 2245 0.5382
30 Astros 30 2643 2218 0.5437
7/15/2015 5:29 AM (edited)
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Franchise Draft Order (timed TUESDAY 7/14) all times eastern
  1. spikeboots 52-110 .321                          Toronto Blue Jays^
  2. specsman 70-92 .432                             St. Louis Cardinals^
  3. spoonfed 72-90 .444                               Boston Red Sox^
  4. dvorr80 73-89 .451                                   Kansas City Royals^
  5. koyunlu 74-88 .457                                   Oakland Athletics
  6. tridentric 75-87 .463                                 Milwaukee Brewers^
  7. ff09 78-84 .481                                          Minnesota Twins^
  8. marlowe 79-83 .487                                 Baltimore Orioles^
  9. mussopini23 79-83 .487                          San Francisco Giants^
  10. alleyviper 79-83 .487                               Los Angeles Dodgers^
  11. jose can u c 80-82 .494                           Philadelphia Phillies^
  12. deathdealer 82-80 .506                            Houston Astros^
  13. pumpkinmcp 84-78 .519                           Atlanta Braves^
  14. tjefferson 84-78 .519                                 Detroit Tigers^
  15. ozomatli 84-78 .519$                                New York Yankees^
  16. Robin4 87-75 .537                                    San Diego Padres^
  17. llcoach 83-79 .512*                                   Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals^
  18. alice 87-75 .537*                                      Cleveland Indians^
  19. shaybee 87-75 .537*                                Pittsburgh Pirates^
  20. dilligafdbp 89-73 .549*                              Chicago White Sox^
  21. buddhagamer 91-71 .562*                        New York Mets^
  22. schwarze 96-66 .593*                               Los Angeles Angels^
  23. mllama54 85-77 .525%                             Seattle Mariners^
  24. sinfonian11 94-68 .580&                           Cincinnati Reds^
* playoff team
$ new owner
% WS runner-up
& WS champ

 ^ third round keeper sent

Owner list for sitemailing: spikeboots; specsman; spoonfed; dvorr80; koyunlu; tridentric; ff09; marlowe; mussopini23; alleyviper; jose can u c; deathdealer; pumpkinmcp; tjefferson; ozomatli; Robin4; llcoach; alice; shaybee; dilligafdbp; buddhagamer; schwarze; mllama54; sinfonian11 

Division Alignment

NL East: Braves, Mets, Phillies, Expos/Nats
NL Central: Cardinals, Pirates, Brewers, Reds
NL West: Dodgers, Giants, Astros, Padres
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Orioles
AL Central: Twins, Indians, Tigers, White Sox
AL West: Mariners, Angels, Athletics, Royals

7/22/2015 7:49 PM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule Friday 7/17, all times eastern)                                         Off the Board
  1. tjefferson - Detroit Tigers:                                                   Steve Carlton - PHI
  2. shaybee - Pittsburgh Pirates:                                             Kevin Brown - LAD
  3. dilligafdbp - Chicago White Sox:                                        Tom Seaver - CIN
  4. ff09 - Minnesota Twins:                                                         JR Richard - HOU
  5. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays:                                         Fernando Valenzuela - LAD          Los Angeles Dodgers
  6. schwarze - Los Angeles Angels:                                        Derek Lowe - BOS
  7. marlowe - Baltimore Orioles:                                              Curt Schilling - PHI                       Philadelphia Phillies
  8. Robin4 - San Diego Padres:                                               Rico Petrocelli - BOS                     Boston Red Sox
  9. tridentric - Milwaukee Brewers:                                           Catfish Hunter - NYY
  10. mllama54 - Seattle Mariners:                                              Tim Hudson - OAK
  11. llcoach - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals:                David Cone - KCR
  12. jose can u c - Philadelphia Phillies:                                     Mike Mussina - BAL
  13. alice - Cleveland Indians:                                                    TSMOPOAT - LAA
  14. sinfonian11 - Cincinnati Reds:                                             Chris Carpenter - STL
  15. buddhagamer - New York Mets:                                          Paul O'Neill - NYY                         New York Yankees
  16. pumpkinmcp - Atlanta Braves:                                            Mark McGwire - STL                      St. Louis Cardinals
  17. spoonfed - Boston Red Sox:                                                Roger Nelson - KCR                     Kansas City Royals
  18. mussopini23 - San Francisco Giants:                                  Craig Biggio - HOU                       Houston Astros
  19. dvorr80 - Kansas City Royals:                                              Jeff Kent - SFG
  20. specsman - St. Louis Cardinals:                                           Javier Vazquez - ATL
  21. ozomatli - New York Yankees:                                              Mark Eichhorn - TOR
  22. alleyviper - Los Angeles Dodgers:                                        Carlos Beltran - NYM
  23. koyunlu - Oakland Athletics:                                                 Edgardo Alfonzo - NYM              New York Mets
  24. deathdealer - Houston Astros:                                              Buster Posey - SFG                     San Francisco Giants
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule TUESDAY 7/21, all times eastern)
  1. tjefferson - Detroit Tigers:                                                      Fred Lynn - BOS
  2. shaybee - Pittsburgh Pirates:                                                Fritz Peterson - NYY
  3. dilligafdbp - Chicago White Sox:                                           Hideo Nomo - LAD
  4. ff09 - Minnesota Twins:                                                         Bob Gibson - STL
  5. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays:                                            Matt Cain - SFG
  6. schwarze - Los Angeles Angels:                                           Jose Reyes - NYM
  7. marlowe - Baltimore Orioles:                                                 Dennis Eckersley - OAK
  8. Robin4 - San Diego Padres:                                                 Ted Simmons - STL                     St. Louis Cardinals
  9. tridentric - Milwaukee Brewers:                                             George Foster - CIN
  10. mllama54 - Seattle Mariners:                                                 Don Mattingly - NYY                  New York Yankees
  11. llcoach - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals:                   Cecil Cooper - MIL
  12. jose can u c - Philadelphia Phillies:                                       Odalis Perez - LAD                     Los Angeles Dodgers
  13. alice - Cleveland Indians:                                                       Bobby Bonilla - NYM                 New York Mets
  14. sinfonian11 - Cincinnati Reds:                                                Kris Medlen - ATL     
  15. buddhagamer - New York Mets:                                             Roberto Alomar - BAL
  16. pumpkinmcp - Atlanta Braves:                                               Garrett Richards - LAA
  17. spoonfed - Boston Red Sox:                                                   Pascual Perez - MON/WSH
  18. mussopini23 - San Francisco Giants:                                     Gary Sheffield - ATL                  Atlanta Braves
  19. dvorr80 - Kansas City Royals:                                                Carl Yastrzemski - BOS             Boston Red Sox
  20. specsman - St. Louis Cardinals:                                             Billy Wagner - HOU
  21. ozomatli - New York Yankees:                                                Cal Eldred - MIL                          Milwaukee Brewers
  22. alleyviper - Los Angeles Dodgers:                                          Hubie Brooks - MON/WSH     Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals
  23. koyunlu - Oakland Athletics:                                                   Jim Thome - CLE
  24. deathdealer - Houston Astros:                                                Wade Davis - KCR
Player Draft Third Round (Timed draft FRIDAY 7/24, all times eastern)
  1. tjefferson - Detroit Tigers:                                                        AFTBOAT - STL
  2. shaybee - Pittsburgh Pirates:                                                  Dick Allen - CHW
  3. dilligafdbp - Chicago White Sox:                                              Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS
  4. ff09 - Minnesota Twins:                                                            HWMNBN - CIN
  5. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays:                                               Hong-Chih Kuo - LAD
  6. schwarze - Los Angeles Angels:                                              Jorge Posada - NYY
  7. marlowe - Baltimore Orioles:                                                    Matt Kemp - LAD                         Los Angeles Dodgers
  8. Robin4 - San Diego Padres:                                                    Cesar Cedeno - HOU
  9. tridentric - Milwaukee Brewers:                                                Mark Melancon - PIT
  10. mllama54 - Seattle Mariners:                                                   Thurman Munson - NYY            New York Yankees 
  11. llcoach - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals:                     Rafael Furcal - ATL
  12. jose can u c - Philadelphia Phillies:                                         Scott Garrelts - SFG
  13. alice - Cleveland Indians:                                                         Gregg Jefferies - STL                St. Louis Cardinals
  14. sinfonian11 - Cincinnati Reds:                                                  Gary Sheffield - SDP
  15. buddhagamer - New York Mets:                                              Manny Ramirez - CLE
  16. pumpkinmcp - Atlanta Braves:                                                  Clay Buchholz - BOS                Boston Red Sox
  17. spoonfed - Boston Red Sox:                                                     Cole Hamels - PHI
  18. mussopini23 - San Francisco Giants:                                       Melvin Mora - BAL
  19. dvorr80 - Kansas City Royals:                                                  Carlos Guillen - DET
  20. specsman - St. Louis Cardinals:                                               JD Drew - ATL                           Atlanta Braves
  21. ozomatli - New York Yankees:                                                  Cliff Lee - SEA
  22. alleyviper - Los Angeles Dodgers:                                            Brian Giles - PIT                        Pittsburgh Pirates
  23. koyunlu - Oakland Athletics:                                                      Mike Piazza - NYM
  24. deathdealer - Houston Astros:                                                   JJ Putz - SEA                             Seattle Mariners

7/26/2015 10:57 AM (edited)
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List of keepers/draft picks.

tjefferson - Detroit Tigers: Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Magglio Ordonez, Alan Trammell, Miguel Cabrera, Steve Carlton - PHI, Tony Phillips, Fred Lynn - BOS, Willie Hernandez, AFTBOAT - STL

shaybee - Pittsburgh Pirates: Barry Bonds, Jay Bell, Andrew McCutchen, Doug Drabek, Rick Reuschel, Kevin Brown - LAD, Rich Gossage, Fritz Peterson - NYY, Jason Kendall, Dick Allen - CHW

dilligafdbp - Chicago White Sox: Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Wilbur Wood, Chris Sale, Roberto Hernandez, Tom Seaver - CIN, Keith Foulke, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Ray Durham, Jacoby Ellsbury - BOS

ff09 - Minnesota Twins: Rod Carew, Kirby Puckett, Joe Mauer, Chuck Knoblauch, Johan Santana, JR Richard - HOU, Joe Nathan, Bob Gibson - STL, Harmon Killebrew, HWMNBN - CIN

spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, Tony Fernandez, Jose Bautista, Carlos Delgado, John Olerud, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Roy Halladay, Matt Cain - SFG, BJ Ryan, Hong-Chih Kuo - LAD

schwarze - Los Angeles Angels: Mike Trout, Darin Erstad, Tim Salmon, Mike Witt, Frank Tanana, Derek Lowe - BOS, Mark Texeira, Jose Reyes - NYM, Vladimir Guerrero, Jorge Posada - NYY

marlowe - Baltimore Orioles: Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer, TSMPPOAT, Brady Anderson, Chris Hoiles, Curt Schilling - PHI, Chris Davis, Dennis Eckersley - OAK, Todd Frohwirth, Matt Kemp - LAD

Robin4 - San Diego Padres: Ken Caminiti, Tony Gwynn, Jake Peavy, Randy Jones, Kevin Brown, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Mark Loretta, Ted Simmons - STL, Trevor Hoffman, Cesar Cedeno - HOU

tridentric - Milwaukee Brewers: Robin Yount, Ryan Braun, Ben Sheets, Teddy Higuera, Rollie Fingers, Catfish Hunter - NYY, Jeff Cirillo, George Foster - CIN, Mike Caldwell, Mark Melancon - PIT

mllama54 - Seattle Mariners: Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Ichiro Suzuki, Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Tim Hudson - OAK, Edgar Martinez, Don Mattingly - NYY, Bret Boone, Thurman Munson - NYY

llcoach - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Tim Raines, Andre Dawson, Vladimir Guerrero, Pedro Martinez, Gio Gonzalez, David Cone - KCR, Tim Burke, Cecil Cooper - MIL, Jose Vidro, Rafael Furcal - ATL

jose can u c - Philadelphia Phillies: Mike Schmidt, Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins, Lenny Dykstra, Ryan Howard, Mike Mussina - BAL, Darren Daulton, Odalis Perez - LAD, Bobby Abreu, Scott Garrelts - SFG

alice - Cleveland Indians: Gaylord Perry, Sam McDowell, Kenny Lofton, Albert Belle, Roberto Alomar, TSMOPOAT - LAA, Omar Vizquel, Bobby Bonilla - NYM, Victor Martinez, Gregg Jefferies - STL

sinfonian11 - Cincinnati Reds: Johnny Cueto, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Barry Larkin, Joey Votto, Chris Carpenter - STL, Aroldis Chapman, Kris Medlen - ATL, Eric Davis, Gary Sheffield - SDP

buddhagamer - New York Mets: Dwight Gooden, Tom Seaver, Pedro Martinez, Matt Harvey, John Olerud, Paul O'Neill - NYY, David Wright, Roberto Alomar - BAL, Howard Johnson, Manny Ramirez - CLE

pumpkinmcp - Atlanta Braves: Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kevin Millwood, Hank Aaron, Chipper Jones, Mark McGwire - STL, Craig Kimbrel, Garrett Richards - LAA, Javy Lopez, Clay Buchholz - BOS

spoonfed - Boston Red Sox: Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Wade Boggs, Carlton Fisk, Dustin Pedroia, Roger Nelson - KCR, Nomar Garciaparra, Pascual Perez - MON/WSH, Koji Uehara, Cole Hamels - PHI

mussopini23 - San Francisco Giants: Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Juan Marichal, Tim Lincecum, Jason Schmidt, Craig Biggio - HOU, Rich Aurillia, Gary Sheffield - ATL, Kevin Mitchell, Melvin Mora - BAL

dvorr80 - Kansas City Royals: George Brett, Willie Wilson, Bret Saberhagen, Kevin Appier, Zack Grienke, Jeff Kent - SFG, Darrell Porter, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Amos Otis, Carlos Guillen - DET

specsman - St. Louis Cardinals: John Tudor, Adam Wainwright, Albert Pujols, Joe Torre, Ozzie Smith, Javier Vazquez - ATL, Yadier Molina, Billy Wagner - HOU, Matt Carpenter, JD Drew - ATL

ozomatli - New York Yankees: Ron Guidry, Robinson Cano, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, Rickey Henderson, Mark Eichhorn - TOR, Dave Righetti, Cal Eldred - MIL, Mariano Rivera, Cliff Lee - SEA

alleyviper - Los Angeles Dodgers: Adrian Beltre, Mike Piazza, Don Sutton, Clayton Kershaw, Orel Hershiser, Carlos Beltran - NYM, Eric Gagne, Hubie Brooks - MON/WSH, Hanley Ramirez, Brian Giles - PIT

koyunlu - Oakland Athletics: Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Mike Norris, Jason Giambi, Rickey Henderson, Edgardo Alfonzo - NYM, Reggie Jackson, Jim Thome - CLE, Rich Harden, Mike Piazza - NYM

deathdealer - Houston Astros: Lance Berkman, Jeff Bagwell, Roger Clemens, Mike Scott, TSMOPOAT, Buster Posey - SFG, Jose Altuve, Wade Davis - KCR, Brad Lidge, JJ Putz - SEA


7/26/2015 10:57 AM (edited)
ff09
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Slow start
7/13/2015 10:17 AM
sinfonian11
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Indeed. Several, including spikeboots, haven't opened the sitemail I sent yesterday afternoon.
7/13/2015 10:47 AM
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Insert obligatory warning about Cincinnati here.
7/13/2015 1:51 PM
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I can barely keep up with this draft. My choices keep flying off the board
7/13/2015 2:56 PM
sinfonian11
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Posted by ozomatli on 7/13/2015 2:56:00 PM (view original):
I can barely keep up with this draft. My choices keep flying off the board
I know. Absolutely dizzying. Just sitemail me if you need help following along;-)
7/13/2015 3:07 PM
mussopini23
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can't wait for another leg!!!
7/13/2015 4:15 PM
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zzzzzzzzzzzz
7/13/2015 4:41 PM
spikeboots
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Toronto Blue Jays
7/13/2015 5:54 PM
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Keeping with the tradition of taking a winner from the last leg and making them a sub-.500 team, let's try St. Louis
7/13/2015 6:00 PM
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Boston Red Sox
7/13/2015 11:49 PM
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