Say I am a D2 team going after a D1 player. He's been my #1 target from the beginning and I am leaning on him all through Period 1, I have around 1000 AP, 10 HV's the CV, start and minutes in.

Now it's period 2 and a D1 team jumps in. How much effort should they have to put in to win the recruit? 3 or 4 HV's? Maybe 7 or 8?

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Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/6/2017 8:59:00 AM (view original):
Say I am a D2 team going after a D1 player. He's been my #1 target from the beginning and I am leaning on him all through Period 1, I have around 1000 AP, 10 HV's the CV, start and minutes in.

Now it's period 2 and a D1 team jumps in. How much effort should they have to put in to win the recruit? 3 or 4 HV's? Maybe 7 or 8?

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Lets just say 5 HV. Even though I am not qualified for Div1 "talk". You need to go "all in" on effort to be on the safe side.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/6/2017 8:59:00 AM (view original):
Say I am a D2 team going after a D1 player. He's been my #1 target from the beginning and I am leaning on him all through Period 1, I have around 1000 AP, 10 HV's the CV, start and minutes in.

Now it's period 2 and a D1 team jumps in. How much effort should they have to put in to win the recruit? 3 or 4 HV's? Maybe 7 or 8?

Exclude preferences from this conversation.....

Exclude prestige too?

Posted by Benis on 1/6/2017 9:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/6/2017 8:59:00 AM (view original):
Say I am a D2 team going after a D1 player. He's been my #1 target from the beginning and I am leaning on him all through Period 1, I have around 1000 AP, 10 HV's the CV, start and minutes in.

Now it's period 2 and a D1 team jumps in. How much effort should they have to put in to win the recruit? 3 or 4 HV's? Maybe 7 or 8?

Exclude preferences from this conversation.....

Exclude prestige too?

Nah, I think it matters if it's a D team or A team.

Although I HATE the idea of D1 ripping thru a D2 school's resources late, I'd have a hard time arguing at least 50%+ of same effort.

IOW, 501 AP, 6 HV, 1 CV and at least minutes should put them on the same level.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/6/2017 9:08:00 AM (view original):
Although I HATE the idea of D1 ripping thru a D2 school's resources late, I'd have a hard time arguing at least 50%+ of same effort.

IOW, 501 AP, 6 HV, 1 CV and at least minutes should put them on the same level.

You sure to my understanding he doesn't want to be in that 10% range. Lets assume 10% is VERY HIGH/HIGH instead of MODERATE/LOW or MODERATE/VERY LOW.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/6/2017 9:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 1/6/2017 9:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/6/2017 8:59:00 AM (view original):
Say I am a D2 team going after a D1 player. He's been my #1 target from the beginning and I am leaning on him all through Period 1, I have around 1000 AP, 10 HV's the CV, start and minutes in.

Now it's period 2 and a D1 team jumps in. How much effort should they have to put in to win the recruit? 3 or 4 HV's? Maybe 7 or 8?

Exclude preferences from this conversation.....

Exclude prestige too?

Nah, I think it matters if it's a D team or A team.

Me too. So youre asking for 2 scenarios then?

Effort required to win as an A and as a D?

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/6/2017 9:08:00 AM (view original):
Although I HATE the idea of D1 ripping thru a D2 school's resources late, I'd have a hard time arguing at least 50%+ of same effort.

IOW, 501 AP, 6 HV, 1 CV and at least minutes should put them on the same level.

Mike, that's actually about 75% of the level when prestige is factored in.

In my example, that's about 20 HV's worth of effort. What you list is about 12 HV equivalents. For the bottom barrel D1 team that's 60% for a good D1 (B+ and above) team it's probably more effort when prestige is factored in.

Posted by Benis on 1/6/2017 9:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/6/2017 9:08:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Benis on 1/6/2017 9:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/6/2017 8:59:00 AM (view original):
Say I am a D2 team going after a D1 player. He's been my #1 target from the beginning and I am leaning on him all through Period 1, I have around 1000 AP, 10 HV's the CV, start and minutes in.

Now it's period 2 and a D1 team jumps in. How much effort should they have to put in to win the recruit? 3 or 4 HV's? Maybe 7 or 8?

Exclude preferences from this conversation.....

Exclude prestige too?

Nah, I think it matters if it's a D team or A team.

Me too. So youre asking for 2 scenarios then?

Effort required to win as an A and as a D?

I guess, I am just trying to have the conversation. I am interested to see what people think about this.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/6/2017 9:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/6/2017 9:08:00 AM (view original):
Although I HATE the idea of D1 ripping thru a D2 school's resources late, I'd have a hard time arguing at least 50%+ of same effort.

IOW, 501 AP, 6 HV, 1 CV and at least minutes should put them on the same level.

Mike, that's actually about 75% of the level when prestige is factored in.

In my example, that's about 20 HV's worth of effort. What you list is about 12 HV equivalents. For the bottom barrel D1 team that's 60% for a good D1 (B+ and above) team it's probably more effort when prestige is factored in.

Well, you told benis to exclude prestige. Either way, I think at least 51% of effort should put a D1 equal to a D2. And probably around 30-35% for a D3.

Posted by CoachWard95 on 1/6/2017 9:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/6/2017 9:08:00 AM (view original):
Although I HATE the idea of D1 ripping thru a D2 school's resources late, I'd have a hard time arguing at least 50%+ of same effort.

IOW, 501 AP, 6 HV, 1 CV and at least minutes should put them on the same level.

You sure to my understanding he doesn't want to be in that 10% range. Lets assume 10% is VERY HIGH/HIGH instead of MODERATE/LOW or MODERATE/VERY LOW.

I don't have any idea what that actually means, but I think Mike's example puts a C prestige D1 Very high and the D2 team high, An A prestige team probably knocks the D2 team down to moderate but maybe only gets the D- team to high or very high.

To be clear, I've never claimed a D1 coming late should have no shot. Just that it shouldn't be an automatic win for them if they show interest.

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/6/2017 9:17:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/6/2017 9:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/6/2017 9:08:00 AM (view original):
Although I HATE the idea of D1 ripping thru a D2 school's resources late, I'd have a hard time arguing at least 50%+ of same effort.

IOW, 501 AP, 6 HV, 1 CV and at least minutes should put them on the same level.

Mike, that's actually about 75% of the level when prestige is factored in.

In my example, that's about 20 HV's worth of effort. What you list is about 12 HV equivalents. For the bottom barrel D1 team that's 60% for a good D1 (B+ and above) team it's probably more effort when prestige is factored in.

Well, you told benis to exclude prestige. Either way, I think at least 51% of effort should put a D1 equal to a D2. And probably around 30-35% for a D3.

That seems reasonable, I wonder if it actually works that way. I suspect that somewhere around C- Prestige it does.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 1/6/2017 9:18:00 AM (view original):

Posted by CoachWard95 on 1/6/2017 9:12:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 1/6/2017 9:08:00 AM (view original):
Although I HATE the idea of D1 ripping thru a D2 school's resources late, I'd have a hard time arguing at least 50%+ of same effort.

IOW, 501 AP, 6 HV, 1 CV and at least minutes should put them on the same level.

You sure to my understanding he doesn't want to be in that 10% range. Lets assume 10% is VERY HIGH/HIGH instead of MODERATE/LOW or MODERATE/VERY LOW.

I don't have any idea what that actually means, but I think Mike's example puts a C prestige D1 Very high and the D2 team high, An A prestige team probably knocks the D2 team down to moderate but maybe only gets the D- team to high or very high.

Its simple if you at MODERATE and he is at LOW/VERY LOW he won't sign with that person @ LOW/VERY LOW. I am not saying its more than 10% but it could be.

If I D1 offers time, I think you are done. If not, your evaluation is about right, 4 to 5 hvs. As soon as 15 minutes are offered, from D (rebuilding an getting the program forward, human owned), the recruit is gone to D1. If he offers a redshirt, then you got it easier a lot easier, no need to hvs.