3rd season.

I'm getting blasted pretty good by teams that recruited JUCO(3rd season for all of us). I keep telling myself, in the long game, I'll come out in better shape. I'm thinking my players have a higher ceiling(in general) and their IQ will be far superior by their JR/SR seasons.

Am I on the right track? I see JUCO as a stopgap when you just didn't develop anyone at that position and not a viable option to compete year in, year out.

jucos can be quite advantageous, especially if you redshirt them. that's the main way I use them, although this season I did actually grab a shooter that I'll only keep for 2 seasons.

I've never really thought it was more advantageous or less, but rather all about the overall team dynamic. It's all about deciding when you want your team to peak and building the roster accordingly. It's hard to with national title without having a lot of juniors and seniors - and I think how many of them were jucos doesn't really matter. also, sometimes a juco will play your offense/defense and then there is not the IQ deficit.

I think this is a supply and demand thing - if others in your area, in your world are ignoring jucos then grab the good ones - esp if they know your system

aside from that, jucos can be very helpful when recruiting goes badly or EEs hit you hard and you want to patch gaps

Seems to me that 3.0 has made it less easy to focus/target in search on jucos - and so the supply demand balance may have changed from 2.0

ATHLETICISM	60	Blue
SPEED	38	Black
REBOUNDING	45	Green
DEFENSE	62	Black
SHOT BLOCKING	34	Black
LOW-POST	43	Green
PERIMETER	15	Green
BALL HANDLING	14	Green
PASSING	27	Green
WORK ETHIC	62
STAMINA	60	Black
DURABILITY	72
FT SHOOTING	B-	Yellow

I just signed (and will RS) this JUCO big. I think for JUCO's it's more important that they:

1. Know your O and/or D
2. Have a high (60+) WE

I thinkI'll get 60ish points of growth out out of him his RS year and then 100 his JR. year and maybe 60-80 his senior.


I am fully expecting him to look like this at the end of his SR. year.

ATHLETICISM	80
SPEED	50
REBOUNDING	75
DEFENSE	75
SHOT BLOCKING	45
LOW-POST	75+
PERIMETER	35+
BALL HANDLING	35
PASSING	50
WORK ETHIC	62
STAMINA	70
DURABILITY	72
FT SHOOTING	B-

If everything goes right, he'll be my scorer of the bench at 3/4 and play maybe 15 minutes a game.

Type	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	OVR
Current	43	41	52	40	45	76	53	48	42	62	71	56	C	629
Season Start	43	40	50	36	42	76	47	43	37	56	70	53	C-	593
Season End	42	39	49	35	41	76	45	43	37	56	72	53	C-	588
Season Start	42	38	48	28	36	76	30	30	29	47	72	51	C-	527

I signed this guy in my 1st recruiting season. He knew my O/D and is A in both as a SR. He's been a solid contributor, 9.4 pts/5.2 reb in 25 mpg over 48 games. But he's not leading me to a tourney in D3. And I signed another with 90+ REB/BLK to play back-up C for two seasons in my 2nd season. I just couldn't see signing 2-3 a season to be major contributors. But maybe I'm missing something.

That guy just isn't very good. It's not that JUCO's can't be good, it's that guys like that aren't good.

Every know and then a JUCO can be dominant but mostly these are sold role players.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/PlayerHistory/Ratings.aspx?pid=3261000

This guy was a JUCO though....F'ing stud.

Wow that guy is nuts TJ.

Here is my best Juco.

http://imgur.com/bNgW9pu

I would agree with fd, it's harder to find and recruit jucos in 3.0. Previously, it wasn't uncommon to see guys using the "superclass" method to replace 6 outgoing seniors with 6 pretty solid juco juniors, and make another run. It would be harder to pull off now, I would think, unless you are in a advantageous geographical spot, and can easily draw from a big local pool. Cal, Tex, NY, FL are the big juco producers that I know of. It's very hard to fully scout, and then effectively recruit in all of them now.

In 3.0, I see the big value of juco players for rebuilding programs, especially in helping you get your class structure set the way you want it. They can fill in gaps, they turn around fast. So even if they don't fill potential, or fully learn your O/D, they can be assets off the bench, and they don't take up a roster spot for 2 extra years to get useful while you try to hide them. With CSUN, I was looking at 10 openings last season, and of course you only get resources adjusted to 6, and can only sign 6 players in a class. So I focused on jucos. I could do that, being in a juco-rich area. They can be good placeholders.

When I signed on, I inherited a senior dominated team that won the conference and a NT game. Downside was I had a ton to replace (after a couple of cuts, I signed 8 or 9). I'm with Mike in a full Little East that talks a little trash on the conference chat, so I absolutely did not want to go from first to worst. I filled 5 of my spots with JUCOs hoping to stay competitive. It has worked out, but the downside is that after this season (their 2nd year) I have to replace my 5 best players already. I already have one JUCO picked out that I'm going all out for, but pretty sure I won't be signing that many to one class again.