What are your thoughts on a rolling baseline prestige based on the last 30 years IRL of the school.

This would be a small (1/30th) change in baseline prestige. Every year IRL the farthest back season is removed and the current one finished is added to the baseline prestige equation. Basically looking at some where between every 6-10 WIS seasons we would have a minimal change to baseline prestige.

New powers IRL would slowly see their baseline prestige rise and powers from the past that are no longer relavent would slowly fade. The WIS coach could easily make up for that small dip and keep their schools prestige high.

Possible side effect is coaches chasing the highest prestige schools may move around more to grab the next hot team with a great coach locked up (Like Gonzaga or Wichita State) or dump one signing LaVar Ball to a 20 year deal to coach their school. Flash in the pan teams with one or two great seasons


Open to thoughts on this...

I don't hate the idea of this. I also don't play D1, so if there's competitive reasons why it's not a good idea, go ahead and blurt them out.

But i think it would keep the game more up to date for new coaches to the game. If the schools mentioned, Butler, VCU, teams like that stay relevant for 10 real years, I think it would be a fair topic to at least address it in some way.

Issues like this, and conference realignment make the game "behind the times" somewhat. I know realignment would be a big mess also, and i personally don't care if it ever changed or not. But i do think new users that want to climb the ranks will see things the way they are and scratch their heads. He11, soon there will be coaches that are so young that they won't even know that a Nebraska was ever in the Big12.

Posted by topdogggbm on 4/1/2018 1:57:00 AM (view original):
I don't hate the idea of this. I also don't play D1, so if there's competitive reasons why it's not a good idea, go ahead and blurt them out.

But i think it would keep the game more up to date for new coaches to the game. If the schools mentioned, Butler, VCU, teams like that stay relevant for 10 real years, I think it would be a fair topic to at least address it in some way.

Issues like this, and conference realignment make the game "behind the times" somewhat. I know realignment would be a big mess also, and i personally don't care if it ever changed or not. But i do think new users that want to climb the ranks will see things the way they are and scratch their heads. He11, soon there will be coaches that are so young that they won't even know that a Nebraska was ever in the Big12.

Agreed. +1

Instead of having baseline linked to real life, why not have baseline be a 50 year baseline within that world? If you're a coach who stays for 30+ seasons at a school and builds them into a perennial power, your baseline goes up. Duke wasn't anything special until Coach K got there, now they'll be a prominent basketball school well past when he's gone. UCLA will always have Wooden and the tradition. Why not account for that in HD?

Or you could go a separate route -- Have baseline tied more towards real life budgets and fan enthusiasm. It always baffled me that Indiana was an A- baseline job in HD. Seroiusly? Maryland has a higher baseline than the Hoosiers?

Posted by tkimble on 4/1/2018 10:44:00 AM (view original):
Instead of having baseline linked to real life, why not have baseline be a 50 year baseline within that world? If you're a coach who stays for 30+ seasons at a school and builds them into a perennial power, your baseline goes up. Duke wasn't anything special until Coach K got there, now they'll be a prominent basketball school well past when he's gone. UCLA will always have Wooden and the tradition. Why not account for that in HD?

Or you could go a separate route -- Have baseline tied more towards real life budgets and fan enthusiasm. It always baffled me that Indiana was an A- baseline job in HD. Seroiusly? Maryland has a higher baseline than the Hoosiers?

I think there's way more drastic examples than Indiana/Maryland. But i do agree with your point on that one.

1. Huge programming resources to have every world be different, and for little or no gain.

2. "... coach who stays for 30+ seasons at a school and builds them into a perennial power, your baseline goes up." It's a rich-get-richer scheme.

3. It's a GAME, not real life.

Posted by tkimble on 4/1/2018 10:44:00 AM (view original):
Instead of having baseline linked to real life, why not have baseline be a 50 year baseline within that world? If you're a coach who stays for 30+ seasons at a school and builds them into a perennial power, your baseline goes up. Duke wasn't anything special until Coach K got there, now they'll be a prominent basketball school well past when he's gone. UCLA will always have Wooden and the tradition. Why not account for that in HD?

Or you could go a separate route -- Have baseline tied more towards real life budgets and fan enthusiasm. It always baffled me that Indiana was an A- baseline job in HD. Seroiusly? Maryland has a higher baseline than the Hoosiers?

I would like to see the first option. Isn’t the whole point to build your own dynasty?

Posted by tkimble on 4/1/2018 10:44:00 AM (view original):
Instead of having baseline linked to real life, why not have baseline be a 50 year baseline within that world? If you're a coach who stays for 30+ seasons at a school and builds them into a perennial power, your baseline goes up. Duke wasn't anything special until Coach K got there, now they'll be a prominent basketball school well past when he's gone. UCLA will always have Wooden and the tradition. Why not account for that in HD?

Or you could go a separate route -- Have baseline tied more towards real life budgets and fan enthusiasm. It always baffled me that Indiana was an A- baseline job in HD. Seroiusly? Maryland has a higher baseline than the Hoosiers?

tkimble, I've been advocating the first option for years. This is a game meant to build a dynasty. The damn site is called "whatifsports". The whole point of what if is what if this happened, not how fast can you jump on a team that is already a real life powerhouse, or you can never build this team to be a true powerhouse, because of their baseline prestige. The only effect real life should have is the team names, divisions, conference. That is it. Set the world free from there.

It's the reason DII and DIII were so fun is you weren't limited by capped prestige always looking up at the traditional powerhouse teams. You could build an actual dynasty at any program.

Posted by tkimble on 4/1/2018 10:44:00 AM (view original):
Instead of having baseline linked to real life, why not have baseline be a 50 year baseline within that world? If you're a coach who stays for 30+ seasons at a school and builds them into a perennial power, your baseline goes up. Duke wasn't anything special until Coach K got there, now they'll be a prominent basketball school well past when he's gone. UCLA will always have Wooden and the tradition. Why not account for that in HD?

Or you could go a separate route -- Have baseline tied more towards real life budgets and fan enthusiasm. It always baffled me that Indiana was an A- baseline job in HD. Seroiusly? Maryland has a higher baseline than the Hoosiers?

Completely agree with the first option. It would still be tougher to raise the baseline prestige of a low D1 school due to SOS concerns, but there would always be some outliers.

1. Huge programming resources to have every world be different, and for little or no gain. You can't really be proposing that every world be different, are you? Seble will choke from laughing so hard at how unrealistic that is.

Posted by poncho0091 on 4/1/2018 4:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 4/1/2018 10:44:00 AM (view original):
Instead of having baseline linked to real life, why not have baseline be a 50 year baseline within that world? If you're a coach who stays for 30+ seasons at a school and builds them into a perennial power, your baseline goes up. Duke wasn't anything special until Coach K got there, now they'll be a prominent basketball school well past when he's gone. UCLA will always have Wooden and the tradition. Why not account for that in HD?

Or you could go a separate route -- Have baseline tied more towards real life budgets and fan enthusiasm. It always baffled me that Indiana was an A- baseline job in HD. Seroiusly? Maryland has a higher baseline than the Hoosiers?

tkimble, I've been advocating the first option for years. This is a game meant to build a dynasty. The damn site is called "whatifsports". The whole point of what if is what if this happened, not how fast can you jump on a team that is already a real life powerhouse, or you can never build this team to be a true powerhouse, because of their baseline prestige. The only effect real life should have is the team names, divisions, conference. That is it. Set the world free from there.

It's the reason DII and DIII were so fun is you weren't limited by capped prestige always looking up at the traditional powerhouse teams. You could build an actual dynasty at any program.

This!!!!

Posted by l80r20 on 4/2/2018 12:44:00 AM (view original):
1. Huge programming resources to have every world be different, and for little or no gain. You can't really be proposing that every world be different, are you? Seble will choke from laughing so hard at how unrealistic that is.

Not really. Prestige is likely set up on the back end as a numerical value that ends up being interpreted as a letter. Setting up global variables in engines that run on PHP isn't super complicated. I imagine the current system looks like this: ((Summed Numerical Prestige Value of Past 4 seasons)*(Baseline Prestige))/4. They'd have to replace "(Baseline Prestige)" in that equation with "((Summed Numerical Prestige Value of Past 50 Seasons)/50)".

I understand that not being a top priority, but the point about "huge programming resources" is silly. I could see them wanting to be careful with a part of the engine that likely hasn't been changed in years, but it wouldn't take long to do testing in their staging environment to make sure it doesn't throw anything out of whack.

I know it came up in another thread and was shot down by some, but I liked the idea of baseline prestige being equal among all teams within a conference.

The idea being that, yes, there are advantages to being in the Big East as opposed to the Big West. But within a conference, all of the teams should have an equal chance of success. Just because Illinois has had more success than Northwestern IRL should not put NW at a disadvantage here. Your success within your WIS conference should be determined by how well you recruit/develop/gameplan your fake players, not by whether your real life AD had the foresight to hire Coach K or Jim Boeheim 40 years ago.