Just lost Joseph Jefcoat in Allen. Sophomore not even on big board.

Meanwhile, Mississippi State gets to keep #3 player on big board Junior Benny Ford.

Makes sense!

And #6 Dave Lerner stays.

And Florida lost a sophomore who was on the list, even tho we have 6+ players turning over this season. I didn't think you were at risk of EE if you had a class of 6 or more.

From another thread:

”For what it’s worth, here are the prime indicators I use to gauge if a player is a possible early entry candidate. I evaluate all players for whom I expend significant recruiting effort (all in, or near max visits). I don’t mind early entry candidates, but I try not to have more than one in any given class. In order of importance:

1) Class ranking by position. Top 5 players by position are very likely to be on the big board prior to their senior year, and are EE candidates. Top 20 players by position are all in the watch zone for me. There are obviously some duds that never get too close, and you can spot them by potential. At the same time, there are (rarely) players out of the top 20 by position with high potential who can get to the big board prior to senior year, with maximized development.
2) LP/Per combo. If either projects to 90+, or if in combination they project to 140+, they may be early entry candidates, if some other baseline conditions are met.
3) Ath/Spd/Def core. In general, a 270 combo in those 3 will put the player in range, if other conditions are met. Sometimes guards with 100/100 ath/def, but under 80 speed can sneak by off the big board, even if they surpass the 270.
4) Skill cores all project above 80. For guards, it’s per, ball handling, pass; for bigs it’s rebounding, block, and LP. Keep in mind, the fake NBA GMs value skill cores (especially LP and per) more than the HD community does.
5) Overall near 800. This is the least important of the indicators, but especially if one or more of the indicators above is true, this one can be worth looking at, especially if the player has no glaring weakness at his position.

People mistakenly use the word “random” in relation to the big board and EEs. What they mean is probabilistic, of course. Even though a number is randomly generated to trigger the final decision, where that number lies on the player’s probability line is determined by how the system weighs his attributes, and how he stacks up relatively against everyone else. There is a rhyme and reason, it is our job as coaches to assess where each player we recruit lines up.”

Posted by jreitz on 8/26/2018 10:40:00 AM (view original):
And Florida lost a sophomore who was on the list, even tho we have 6+ players turning over this season. I didn't think you were at risk of EE if you had a class of 6 or more.

Scholarships from walkon spots don’t count towards 6.

Gotcha. Just so I'm clear, the three walk on slots I have don't count against the limit, and didn't offer any protection against EE's like I was thinking. Right?

That certainly matched my reality but I want to confirm...

Posted by jreitz on 8/26/2018 11:40:00 AM (view original):
Gotcha. Just so I'm clear, the three walk on slots I have don't count against the limit, and didn't offer any protection against EE's like I was thinking. Right?

That certainly matched my reality but I want to confirm...

Correct, walkons don't count. And 1 year transfers don't count either.

Cool. That's helpful. I would have recruited differently if I'd understood that. I gotta come to the forums more often...

Posted by shoe3 on 8/26/2018 1:41:00 PM (view original):
From another thread:

”For what it’s worth, here are the prime indicators I use to gauge if a player is a possible early entry candidate. I evaluate all players for whom I expend significant recruiting effort (all in, or near max visits). I don’t mind early entry candidates, but I try not to have more than one in any given class. In order of importance:

1) Class ranking by position. Top 5 players by position are very likely to be on the big board prior to their senior year, and are EE candidates. Top 20 players by position are all in the watch zone for me. There are obviously some duds that never get too close, and you can spot them by potential. At the same time, there are (rarely) players out of the top 20 by position with high potential who can get to the big board prior to senior year, with maximized development.
2) LP/Per combo. If either projects to 90+, or if in combination they project to 140+, they may be early entry candidates, if some other baseline conditions are met.
3) Ath/Spd/Def core. In general, a 270 combo in those 3 will put the player in range, if other conditions are met. Sometimes guards with 100/100 ath/def, but under 80 speed can sneak by off the big board, even if they surpass the 270.
4) Skill cores all project above 80. For guards, it’s per, ball handling, pass; for bigs it’s rebounding, block, and LP. Keep in mind, the fake NBA GMs value skill cores (especially LP and per) more than the HD community does.
5) Overall near 800. This is the least important of the indicators, but especially if one or more of the indicators above is true, this one can be worth looking at, especially if the player has no glaring weakness at his position.

People mistakenly use the word “random” in relation to the big board and EEs. What they mean is probabilistic, of course. Even though a number is randomly generated to trigger the final decision, where that number lies on the player’s probability line is determined by how the system weighs his attributes, and how he stacks up relatively against everyone else. There is a rhyme and reason, it is our job as coaches to assess where each player we recruit lines up.”

So whats the point of the Draft big board then? Just eye candy? If so I suggest it be removed because it seriously causes problems such as the OPs. That situation is bogus to me.

I agree crab. Might as just remove it because it just shows ****** situations. Two top 10 draft picks choose to return to school? I've seen in other worlds the #1 player on the big board return to school - multiple times.

People talk about realism and use it as a blanket excuse for so many things that happen in the game but where are those people now? This doesn't happen in the modern game of college basketball. Not even close.

Posted by crabman26 on 8/27/2018 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 8/26/2018 1:41:00 PM (view original):
From another thread:

”For what it’s worth, here are the prime indicators I use to gauge if a player is a possible early entry candidate. I evaluate all players for whom I expend significant recruiting effort (all in, or near max visits). I don’t mind early entry candidates, but I try not to have more than one in any given class. In order of importance:

1) Class ranking by position. Top 5 players by position are very likely to be on the big board prior to their senior year, and are EE candidates. Top 20 players by position are all in the watch zone for me. There are obviously some duds that never get too close, and you can spot them by potential. At the same time, there are (rarely) players out of the top 20 by position with high potential who can get to the big board prior to senior year, with maximized development.
2) LP/Per combo. If either projects to 90+, or if in combination they project to 140+, they may be early entry candidates, if some other baseline conditions are met.
3) Ath/Spd/Def core. In general, a 270 combo in those 3 will put the player in range, if other conditions are met. Sometimes guards with 100/100 ath/def, but under 80 speed can sneak by off the big board, even if they surpass the 270.
4) Skill cores all project above 80. For guards, it’s per, ball handling, pass; for bigs it’s rebounding, block, and LP. Keep in mind, the fake NBA GMs value skill cores (especially LP and per) more than the HD community does.
5) Overall near 800. This is the least important of the indicators, but especially if one or more of the indicators above is true, this one can be worth looking at, especially if the player has no glaring weakness at his position.

People mistakenly use the word “random” in relation to the big board and EEs. What they mean is probabilistic, of course. Even though a number is randomly generated to trigger the final decision, where that number lies on the player’s probability line is determined by how the system weighs his attributes, and how he stacks up relatively against everyone else. There is a rhyme and reason, it is our job as coaches to assess where each player we recruit lines up.”

So whats the point of the Draft big board then? Just eye candy? If so I suggest it be removed because it seriously causes problems such as the OPs. That situation is bogus to me.

The serious answer to your question is that the big board serves about the same purpose as a recruit’s considering list. It gives you a rough idea of where you stand, probability-wise. It’s meant to be an assessment tool, not a substitution for the coach’s own assessment, and not an outcome.

Would the game be better without it? Maybe. I’ve suggested the same thing.

It’s ridiculous sometimes how random can change outcomes of a lot of future games. This is an example.

for me, the Big Board is an imperfect but very useful bit of guidance - losing it would make the EE process much worse if one wants to attempt to predict the chances of losing players.

the fact that it is imperfect doesnt make it usefless

random aspect is understandable down the list, but lottery picks should probably all go automatically.

Posted by mamxet on 8/29/2018 7:03:00 PM (view original):
for me, the Big Board is an imperfect but very useful bit of guidance - losing it would make the EE process much worse if one wants to attempt to predict the chances of losing players.

the fact that it is imperfect doesnt make it usefless

Agree.... people that want to remove the Board or remove the % probability to sign recruits just want to bury their head in the sand.

To those who don't like it, its the SYSTEM that was ill-conceived. Knowing or not knowing how poorly designed the game is doesn't change that.

Its like not wanting to have a weather forecast because of the time it said only 25% chance of rain so you made plans and it rained. Don't blame the forecaster, blame the predictability of the weather.