Potential trade I am looking at and this guy is part of the deal. I am coming back to this game after a long time and can't remember all the ins and outs of some of the ratings, etc, and I'm sure things have changed over the years a bit. My hesitancy is I'd really like a starter in the deal and this guy is currently a reliever. His projections:

85 OVR
79 DUR
51 STA
82 CON
83 VSL
89 VSR
41 VEL
42 GB/FB
82 P1
72 P2
52 P3

The other thing as far as trying him as a starter is two effective pitches and just an okay third pitch. But with 51 Stamina...not sure he'd be the effective SP I'd want...maybe more a super reliever. Try to get 100+ relief innings out of him perhaps.

I would set him at Setup A and available in the 4th inning and get 240 innings out of him.

This guy is a GREAT comparison. Look at how he was handled last season and the results he gave.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerStats.aspx?pid=6320259

That's awesome, looks like he came into the game any time the starters got into the slightest hint of trouble. Helps you manage the starters by keeping their innings down too.

That's what I was thinking...get a ton of relief innings. Second part of the question - I have a guy in my system currently who is similar.

Would you bother using two of these guys? Setup A and Setup B? Or Setup A and one as a multi-inning closer who can come into the game in the 7th or 8th inning?

The second guy I mentioned (who I already have coming up in the system - the first guy I would get via trade) has the following...so could be a wicked 1-2 punch:

91 OVR
84 DUR
43 STA
80 CON
85 VSL
97 VSR
81 VEL
74 GB/FB
75 P1
78 P2

Differences are he's got 2 pitches rather than 3 but more effective vs LHB and RHB, more VEL, better GB rate.

Any one can start a game who can pitch 40+ pitches. People often under utilize players.

Posted by brianp87 on 12/2/2018 2:17:00 PM (view original):
Any one can start a game who can pitch 40+ pitches. People often under utilize players.

I get that. But...if a guy can only go...say...4 innings starting, is that worth it? Or would you be better to have them pitching in a similar amount of total innings across more games? Say...150 IP in 28 starts...or 150+ IP in 70 games of relief.

Like I said...it's been a while since I've played so I'm re-learning some things to a degree.

Side note - would you rather have the guy in the initial post or this guy who projects as more of a "normal" RP as far as stamina:

87 OVR
68 DUR
37 STA
100 CTRL
87 VSL
90 VSR
100 VEL
78 GB/FB
88 P1
81 P2

This guy could be a closer for me where the guy I mentioned further down the thread (and is already in my system) could be a "super" reliever type.

Posted by bobellis75 on 12/2/2018 2:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by brianp87 on 12/2/2018 2:17:00 PM (view original):
Any one can start a game who can pitch 40+ pitches. People often under utilize players.

I get that. But...if a guy can only go...say...4 innings starting, is that worth it? Or would you be better to have them pitching in a similar amount of total innings across more games? Say...150 IP in 28 starts...or 150+ IP in 70 games of relief.

Like I said...it's been a while since I've played so I'm re-learning some things to a degree.

Side note - would you rather have the guy in the initial post or this guy who projects as more of a "normal" RP as far as stamina:

87 OVR
68 DUR
37 STA
100 CTRL
87 VSL
90 VSR
100 VEL
78 GB/FB
88 P1
81 P2

This guy could be a closer for me where the guy I mentioned further down the thread (and is already in my system) could be a "super" reliever type.

Why does it matter? The point is to get the most out innings possible out of your best players. Why anyone would use a closer is beyond me.

The problem with using a great pitcher as a closer is that you won't have control over how many innings he gets. When you designate a closer, the sim coach puts him into the game - or not. I usually have my best RP as SetupA because I want him facing the tough innings in the 7th and 8th.

If a pitcher can only go 4 innings starting a game, he won't get the win. That's the only downside, it's just a stat. If you want him throwing his maximum innings in a manner you can control, you start him. I have a SP with 29 Dur/55 Sta, but I want him getting his full five innings so he starts.

So here’s a question off topic from the original question. With a bullpen what is the hierarchy the sim uses? Is it based solely on inning available? Is setup A going in prior to Long A? Someone said above with the high stamina reliever make him setup A available in 4th inning. If I want him available that early does setup A take precedent over a long reliever who will be available early as well?

Anyone disagree with me, feel free to say so. These are just my observations:

Obviously the SP goes as long as you want, pitch counts and pull rating determine. The sim coach won't pull him before his target count unless he's getting lit up and his pull rating overrides it.

The LR comes in if the SP hits either his max pitch count or pull rating, and if no Setup RPs are available for the inning. LRAs before LRBs, unless you are trailing by a lot (not sure what the sim coach threshold is - 3, 4, 5 or more runs) in which case the LRB comes in. I don't ever use Mopup, so I have no real idea what they do.

The logic behind SetupA seems to be that the SuA goes in if you're close or ahead in whatever inning you set them to come in, assuming the SP has hit pitch count. I'm not sure the exact trigger, because I've seen Simmy put the SuA in before the SP hits max pitch count. So maybe it's a combination of pitch count and pull rating? Setup As come in before SetupBs, but again, if you're trailing by too much, the SuB comes in first.

Closers come in when you set them to, . However, one thing I've noticed is that if you set all your best RPs to SuA, the sim coach seems to save the best one for the save opportunity. Again, I could be wrong, but I've seen it happen that way, that the best one doesn't come in first.

Again, those are only my observations. But that's why I appreciate strikeout26's idea. By setting a SuA to come in in the 4th inning, you're putting him in line ahead of any other pitcher as long as your team isn't getting blown out. That's why the comparison pitcher in the 3rd post can rack up 27 wins. Essentially he's a semi-permanent Tandem B.

Posted by damag on 12/2/2018 6:50:00 PM (view original):
Anyone disagree with me, feel free to say so. These are just my observations:

Obviously the SP goes as long as you want, pitch counts and pull rating determine. The sim coach won't pull him before his target count unless he's getting lit up and his pull rating overrides it.

The LR comes in if the SP hits either his max pitch count or pull rating, and if no Setup RPs are available for the inning. LRAs before LRBs, unless you are trailing by a lot (not sure what the sim coach threshold is - 3, 4, 5 or more runs) in which case the LRB comes in. I don't ever use Mopup, so I have no real idea what they do.

The logic behind SetupA seems to be that the SuA goes in if you're close or ahead in whatever inning you set them to come in, assuming the SP has hit pitch count. I'm not sure the exact trigger, because I've seen Simmy put the SuA in before the SP hits max pitch count. So maybe it's a combination of pitch count and pull rating? Setup As come in before SetupBs, but again, if you're trailing by too much, the SuB comes in first.

Closers come in when you set them to, . However, one thing I've noticed is that if you set all your best RPs to SuA, the sim coach seems to save the best one for the save opportunity. Again, I could be wrong, but I've seen it happen that way, that the best one doesn't come in first.

Again, those are only my observations. But that's why I appreciate strikeout26's idea. By setting a SuA to come in in the 4th inning, you're putting him in line ahead of any other pitcher as long as your team isn't getting blown out. That's why the comparison pitcher in the 3rd post can rack up 27 wins. Essentially he's a semi-permanent Tandem B.

Awesome info. Appreciate it man

I have no issue using low stanima guys starting. I often run a 4-6 man rotation with tandems. I have never used a closer set up b's or the L settings. I want my best players playing the most. I love facing teams that use closers or overwork there starters.

Appreciate all the chatter guys...hopefully Im not driving you guys crazy with questions/comments and you guys actually like talking baseball :)