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I've got quite a team and I want to go for the ship this season. I'd love some lineup help, specifically with maximizing my 12 guys so my team doesn't get tired (our stamina is not great so we run into fatigue issues on uptempo despite the 12 man rotation). Note: I'm going to be running Sayers and Smitherman in the starting lineup at least for non-con though to help their work ethic, but here I'm asking for help on what my top lineup is, mostly for maximizing talent and avoiding fatigue.:


PG

• L. Townsend (SG)704
• L. Westley (SG)693
• M. Smitherman (PG)503
• J. Dannenberg (PG)

SG

• J. Dannenberg (PG)746
• F. Remley (PF)578
• M. Smitherman (PG)503
• D. Curnutt (SF)567

SF

• J. Day (SF)699
• J. Wilson (SG)598
• M. Smitherman (PG)503
• D. Curnutt (SF)567

PF

• R. Yeager (PF)623
• M. Miramontes (PF)803
• D. Curnutt (SF)567
• E. Jones (C)733

C

• E. Jones (C)733
• H. Sayers (C)529
• D. Curnutt (SF)567
• R. Yeager (PF)623

Imo Sayers and Remly are far worse than your other top 8. I love all other guys in your top 8. Townsend, Danneberg, day, and Jones are just awesome. I don’t know what other guys think about considering “normal” tempo as I don’t run press, but to me you want the top 4 and top 8 out as much as possible. Yaeger against the right teams is incredibly deadly as well.

Why do you feel the need to go uptempo? You should NOT go uptempo with this team running motion/press. Your stamina is not very good, even if running 12 men. You don't have a single guy over 80 stamina so unless you have some great potential there, you should be looking at running slowdown for most of your games to limit fatigue. You're starting a guy at SF with a stamina of 60 - yikes. Even with starts, Smitherman's WE prevents him from really being useful even by the end of the season. He'll be a liability on defense and with fouling so I wouldn't want him playing too many minutes.

You could argue either Danneberg vs Townsend at PG. Either is fine I guess but I usually like my scoring from SG and that 100 spd, 98 per and 90 bh from Danneberg is real nice at SG. But then again Townsend does have 32 lp to go along with 96 per.. hmm

But I'd probably do

PG: Townsend, Westley, Smitherman
SG: Danneberg, Wilson, Curnutt
SF: Day, Wilson, Remley, Curnutt
PF: Yeager, Miramontes, Remley Curnutt
C- Jones, Sayers, Remley

I put Wilson at backup SG and SF because I'd want Remley to get minutes at backup PF/C since those guys are gonna get tired. Ideally Wilson would be backup SG only.

Honestly it's a nice team but I'd be very surprised if you were going to be playing for a title game this season. You have some great per shooters so hopefully you can shoot your way into some big wins but the stamina REALLY hurts you. Play slowdown and hope for the best.

Alright, I’ll come out more strongly in favor of normal in regular season and first two games of NT and slowdown later in NT.

Great advice fellas. I haven't run much press, so this team is like a team made for man to man except they're really fast and there are a lot of them (even though a few of them are not great as cubcub pointed out). Benis, I'm going to heed the slowdown advice forsure. In the NT last season we lost because of playing normal tempo imo. Benis, do you usually not put 4 guys in every depth chart spot? I've always done that. I'd be curious what your rationale is for that.

Posted by michgoblue2 on 9/12/2019 2:54:00 PM (view original):
Great advice fellas. I haven't run much press, so this team is like a team made for man to man except they're really fast and there are a lot of them (even though a few of them are not great as cubcub pointed out). Benis, I'm going to heed the slowdown advice forsure. In the NT last season we lost because of playing normal tempo imo. Benis, do you usually not put 4 guys in every depth chart spot? I've always done that. I'd be curious what your rationale is for that.

I do it when I can. But sometimes I have a shorter team, have enough depth/stamina at that position, or don't want to play a player out of position. There are a number of reasons why I would choose not to do it. Like most things in HD, I think you should do something because it makes sense, not because you are 'supposed' to or do it just because. It can be situational.

For example, I don't want to play a SF without any rebounding at PF/C just to fill that last spot. I'd rather have him getting minutes at the position he's better suited for. But if he's versatile enough to play that position too, then sure. It depends on the makeup of the team and the players available.

if you are always putting 4 guys at every spot, you are *most likely* missing out on the fine grain control over your rotation which we are afforded. if 'depth chart math', the process of adding up the rankings of players by position to determine who will play under what circumstances, is a foreign concept to you - you are leaving a lot on the table.

that reminds me... somewhere around here i have a couple page writeup on depth chart math... i planned to start a little forum series, not a guide, but about advanced topics or interesting spins on common topics. the first entry was supposed to be depth chart math. which is frankly huge, and a great topic, because im guessing few have any idea what the hell im talking about...

I suspect gillispie is talking about the open 3rd slot method. For example, you have 4 guards; you have 3 guys who are significantly higher quality, so you want the 3rd guard to pick up most of the bench minutes; but when both starters are tired, you want to have control over which of the bench guards plays where. To do that, you set the 3rd guard in the 2nd slot for both positions; and the 4th guy should be in the 3rd slot for the position you want him at when both starters are out; and in the 4th spot (with an open 3rd) for the place where you want the 3rd guy to play. When you have the kind of team where your top 7-8 are much better than the rest, this method has some value.

Shoe I've heard of that concept but have never used it. I always have 4 guys in each of my slots. Gillespie, please post that writeup. I suspect depth chart optimization is the weakest part of my coaching

Posted by michgoblue2 on 9/11/2019 5:47:00 PM (view original):
https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=4590

I've got quite a team and I want to go for the ship this season. I'd love some lineup help, specifically with maximizing my 12 guys so my team doesn't get tired (our stamina is not great so we run into fatigue issues on uptempo despite the 12 man rotation). Note: I'm going to be running Sayers and Smitherman in the starting lineup at least for non-con though to help their work ethic, but here I'm asking for help on what my top lineup is, mostly for maximizing talent and avoiding fatigue.:


PG

• L. Townsend (SG)704
• L. Westley (SG)693
• M. Smitherman (PG)503
• J. Dannenberg (PG)

SG

• J. Dannenberg (PG)746
• F. Remley (PF)578
• M. Smitherman (PG)503
• D. Curnutt (SF)567

SF

• J. Day (SF)699
• J. Wilson (SG)598
• M. Smitherman (PG)503
• D. Curnutt (SF)567

PF

• R. Yeager (PF)623
• M. Miramontes (PF)803
• D. Curnutt (SF)567
• E. Jones (C)733

C

• E. Jones (C)733
• H. Sayers (C)529
• D. Curnutt (SF)567
• R. Yeager (PF)623

FWIW, I’d probably start with:

pg - Dannenberg, Westley, *open*, Smitherman
sg - Townsend, Westley, Wilson, Smitherman
sf - Day, Miramontes, Wilson, Remly
pf - Yeager, Miramontes, *open*, Remly
c - Jones, Sayers, Miramontes, Remly

All set to fairly fresh except Jones, I’d set to getting tired.

A lot of peculiarities in your bench, guys who fit multiple positions *ok*, but none really well (Remly, Wilson, Curnutt), and some guys I’d really only want at one position if I can help it (Smitherman, Sayers). You also have a guy who could play all 5 (Miramontes). I don’t know that there is going to be one optimal lineup with this roster, I think the best depth chart use for you is going to be based on who you’re up against, where you can get bench scoring (which is where you want Miramontes), and who you have to shut down.

Another out-of-the-box lineup you could try - same starting 5, use Miramontes at #2 on all 5 spots, and Curnutt as #4 on all 5.

Then at #3 have:
pg - Smitherman
sg - Westley
sf - Wilson
pf - Remly
c - Sayers

In this setup, I’d consider setting Yeager and Jones, along with whoever you have at pg, to getting tired.

The plus here is that Miramontes, who should be an excellent scorer, gets lots of minutes, and the defense will have a hard time focusing on him.