Stuff is going on behind the scenes for sure.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/Pages/Popups/PlayerRatings.aspx?pid=8630857

danny Tucker lost 2 points of range between last year and this despite not having any injuries and getting playing time.

And a buddy of mine in Gibson said he had a 35 year old bump 3 points without the injury bug. Strange.

I was ready to pounce on a lousy FI, but he's great.

Training budget?

20/20 for training and medical. I never go off of those.

I’ve double checked and a ton of my guys have taken ratings hits on range and arm strength at aged between 29 and 31. This is guys with makeup 60 and above (some of em above 80). This is a problem.

i don’t mind / accept that guys will lose power/speed and velocity after 31 because I can plan around that but I build very defensive teams. Guys losing range between 29 and 31 means that I’ll have to keep a very young squad up the middle.

Posted by hypnotoad on 3/1/2020 10:01:00 AM (view original):
I was ready to pounce on a lousy FI, but he's great.

FI takes up 50% of my coaches budget unless my guy resigns. Like I said, in SD I build pitching and defense and play small ball and I love it. Seeing guys below 30 losing defensive ratings means I have to rethink a toooon of stuff in my strategy.

Not sure this is totally new. I've always seen Range, like Power, to be the first thing to go. Which totally sounds kinda real life to me.

Perhaps you are noticing it because you were watching a player you employ primarily for Range. I'm not sure other owners would have noticed - or cared - the way you and I might.

Notice also that whenever one of these types of players gets injured - in almost any strength-related way - the Range takes a hit first. It's just a really sensitive rating.

29 year olds lose range all the time. This is not unusual.

Posted by damag on 3/1/2020 10:55:00 AM (view original):
Not sure this is totally new. I've always seen Range, like Power, to be the first thing to go. Which totally sounds kinda real life to me.

Perhaps you are noticing it because you were watching a player you employ primarily for Range. I'm not sure other owners would have noticed - or cared - the way you and I might.

Notice also that whenever one of these types of players gets injured - in almost any strength-related way - the Range takes a hit first. It's just a really sensitive rating.

For the most part I agree but this is the first time I’ve ever seen a 29 year old of mine lose range. Usually I start to notice drop off in players fielding ranges at 31. Good thing I didn’t resign him to a long term deal. He was supposed to be my CF but not with a range of 75. Bleh

I find this one of the many challenges of the game -- keeping great infielders in the system. As stated above, you are forced to keep scouting middle infield talent because once they hit 29, their ratings slide.

So, if you draft them at 18, they typically need four - five years of development to get all of their coachable ratings high enough to play middle infield. So, they are typically between 21 and 23 as a rookie. Then you get them about seven seasons before their ratings start to slide. It's almost as if once they are in arb3, why sign them long term unless they are a super stud hitter to go along with being a great fielder.

I had not in the past seen range drops unless they were 30 + years old with 20/20. I think there is something going on as well as I have seen injuries not recovery to pre injury form.

Posted by brianp87 on 3/2/2020 8:31:00 AM (view original):
I had not in the past seen range drops unless they were 30 + years old with 20/20. I think there is something going on as well as I have seen injuries not recovery to pre injury form.

I've noticed that too. Last season Johan Butcher went down with an elbow strain about halfway into the season. Seeing as how I have 20/20 Training and Medical and my team looks poised to make the playoffs I figure I'll 60 day DL him and make him an absolute monster for the post season. He ended up getting 1 bump that put him right back to his pre-injury stats but never got a second bump. I had a second guy that season go down with an injury and actually get 2 bumps and gain stats but it all seems to be a roll of the dice now.

Like I said, for those who argue 'Guys can lose range stats at 29'. My argument is with a fielding coach with a rating of 94? 20 million in training and medical and with guys with a makeup above 50? Seems unlikely in the past.

I had never had one loose any other then not recover from an injury and I have never had a fielding coach that high.

Posted by hockey1984 on 3/2/2020 9:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by brianp87 on 3/2/2020 8:31:00 AM (view original):
I had not in the past seen range drops unless they were 30 + years old with 20/20. I think there is something going on as well as I have seen injuries not recovery to pre injury form.

I've noticed that too. Last season Johan Butcher went down with an elbow strain about halfway into the season. Seeing as how I have 20/20 Training and Medical and my team looks poised to make the playoffs I figure I'll 60 day DL him and make him an absolute monster for the post season. He ended up getting 1 bump that put him right back to his pre-injury stats but never got a second bump. I had a second guy that season go down with an injury and actually get 2 bumps and gain stats but it all seems to be a roll of the dice now.

Like I said, for those who argue 'Guys can lose range stats at 29'. My argument is with a fielding coach with a rating of 94? 20 million in training and medical and with guys with a makeup above 50? Seems unlikely in the past.

OK, "all the time" was an overstatement. But I run 20 training, always, and every now and then I see a guy lose range at 29. I've even seen it once or twice at 28. Some guys are programmed to decline earlier than others. It seems to be mostly random with maybe makeup as part of the equation.

Posted by dedelman on 3/2/2020 11:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by hockey1984 on 3/2/2020 9:28:00 AM (view original):

Posted by brianp87 on 3/2/2020 8:31:00 AM (view original):
I had not in the past seen range drops unless they were 30 + years old with 20/20. I think there is something going on as well as I have seen injuries not recovery to pre injury form.

I've noticed that too. Last season Johan Butcher went down with an elbow strain about halfway into the season. Seeing as how I have 20/20 Training and Medical and my team looks poised to make the playoffs I figure I'll 60 day DL him and make him an absolute monster for the post season. He ended up getting 1 bump that put him right back to his pre-injury stats but never got a second bump. I had a second guy that season go down with an injury and actually get 2 bumps and gain stats but it all seems to be a roll of the dice now.

Like I said, for those who argue 'Guys can lose range stats at 29'. My argument is with a fielding coach with a rating of 94? 20 million in training and medical and with guys with a makeup above 50? Seems unlikely in the past.

OK, "all the time" was an overstatement. But I run 20 training, always, and every now and then I see a guy lose range at 29. I've even seen it once or twice at 28. Some guys are programmed to decline earlier than others. It seems to be mostly random with maybe makeup as part of the equation.

I have only played this game since late 2017, but I agree, some players start to see decline in training ratings at age 28/29/30 instead of 30/31/32. I have not just seen this lately. I have seen it since I started playing the game. I also run a 20/20 budget for training and medical.