Had a guy on the draft big board jump from #44 to #5 in 1 night, 2nd game of the year. (Raspy Robert Stack voice) If YOU have any information, call 1-800-876-5353.

Any similar experience or something in HD happen that's unexplainable/mysterious.

i'm still trying figure out why Iowa State has the wrong color scheme, and why they and the San Diego Toreros wear the wrong jersey color.

Never noticed that about Iowa State. I swear it was correct at one point in the past.

dirti2 - whats the player? a link to him would help.

in short, he most likely just went from being rated as a SF, to being rated as a guard or big. SFs can have higher ratings and be lower on the board - being counted as a SF in the big board ratings is helpful (listed position is meaningless for this conversation).

This one is super interesting!

Here's the player

He gained 2 points in Per so maybe he went from being a PF to being a SF? I've never seen a jump that big though.

This is the one kinda crazy thing about the big board and over evaluating those high Per + LP guys. Compare these two players for example, what are guesses on position on big board?

Big Board

super weird, but im still thinking he went from a SF to a PF, despite how little sense that makes on in face. this guy is a very highly rated PF IMO, but no way hes 4 as a SF.

ive always been confused by how players go from 1 position to another in the big board, i dont think its a scheme that would make a huge amount of sense under real scrutiny... especially pg vs sg. however, its the only logical explanation i've got for these occurrences.

1 more note. this system pre-dates lp and per existing as ratings - it was all just 1 rating - and when they split it out, they did it really hacky like. they didnt go back and refactor everything, see lp/per practice minutes situation for 1 other example. im guessing lp/per are not intelligently weighed in the draft board, as separate ratings - they prob just subbed out the shooting rating with some lp/per based approximation that works well enough enough of the time.

Don't have much experience with the machinations with draft big board. Had a player (Creason) that opened the season in the 50's likely staying. Mid-season 30's on the fence, Now he is likely going at #10. Is that unusual? He did improve a lot (86).

Posted by gillispie1 on 3/24/2020 2:16:00 PM (view original):
super weird, but im still thinking he went from a SF to a PF, despite how little sense that makes on in face. this guy is a very highly rated PF IMO, but no way hes 4 as a SF.

ive always been confused by how players go from 1 position to another in the big board, i dont think its a scheme that would make a huge amount of sense under real scrutiny... especially pg vs sg. however, its the only logical explanation i've got for these occurrences.

Yeah I agree he doesn't make a good SF... but how could he go from SF to PF with 2 extra Per points?

Maybe he went from C to PF??

Posted by Benis on 3/24/2020 2:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 3/24/2020 2:16:00 PM (view original):
super weird, but im still thinking he went from a SF to a PF, despite how little sense that makes on in face. this guy is a very highly rated PF IMO, but no way hes 4 as a SF.

ive always been confused by how players go from 1 position to another in the big board, i dont think its a scheme that would make a huge amount of sense under real scrutiny... especially pg vs sg. however, its the only logical explanation i've got for these occurrences.

Yeah I agree he doesn't make a good SF... but how could he go from SF to PF with 2 extra Per points?

Maybe he went from C to PF??

1 more note. this system pre-dates lp and per existing as ratings - it was all just 1 rating - and when they split it out, they did it really hacky like. they didnt go back and refactor everything, see lp/per practice minutes situation for 1 other example. im guessing lp/per are not intelligently weighed in the draft board, as separate ratings - they prob just subbed out the shooting rating with some lp/per based approximation that works well enough enough of the time.

- i posted that on an edit before you replied. but that is my answer :) along with general hand waving about how this is most certainly not a system that would hold up to intense scrutiny.

Posted by utthead on 3/24/2020 2:16:00 PM (view original):
Don't have much experience with the machinations with draft big board. Had a player (Creason) that opened the season in the 50's likely staying. Mid-season 30's on the fence, Now he is likely going at #10. Is that unusual? He did improve a lot (86).

you are seeing the same issue. all players at all positions get smashed into 1 draft order, but there's not a universal ranking scheme. like, there isnt a constant value for per, for reb, etc - and all players go in, come out with final ratings. actually when the big board first came out, i wrote a program using genetic algorithms to find the linear equation behind the big board, if one existed (i hate statistics even more than i hate programming). it could not converge on an answer.

anyway, i since realized that basically the scheme first assigns a draft position and then calculates the ratings. it does this so like, pure pgs can get drafted, things like that. anyway, both change throughout the year, so if a guy goes from being considered one position to another, you can see a big jump or drop on the board.

TV ratings and highlight reel plays. Once it goes viral his NBA stock went through the roof!

In reality I don't look at the Big Board until recruiting is ready to start. Then it is only to determine who I may need to replace and what type of players I will need to recruit. Any changes after an early season game isn't something I would pay attention to or know about.

Posted by npb7768 on 3/24/2020 11:30:00 AM (view original):
i'm still trying figure out why Iowa State has the wrong color scheme, and why they and the San Diego Toreros wear the wrong jersey color.

Memphis and Monmouth colors are wrong too. I'm sure there are others. I've always written this off as one of the charming oddities of HD.

weren't Univ. of San Diego's colors originally just blue and white? I thought the lighter shade of blue was added by the athletic teams to emulate the color of the on-campus dome. Nice looking campus. Then the darker shade of blue was added to contrast the lighter version.

Interesting stuff, had no clue but it makes sense now. Thanks for the enlightenment!