I won't to try this league setup one more time. It's a very good theme idea and I'd hate to see this dropped.

I've made some changes to the existing try:
For one we will be starting in 1960.
Teams will be 12 unless we get enough interest (if we hit 16 we will use the 1959 retired players as extras)
Owners may have 2 teams.
No clones for Territorial players, but very possible for the Legacy players - just different years used of course.
No DH, WW Yes to Below Average AAA if needed.
CAP possible at 130M. I debated between 130 and 150 so let's go with 140M.

Update:
To make this more of a Franchise League I'm upping the amount of player we keep to 7
1st Territorial Hitter
2nd Territorial Hitter
1st Territorial Pitcher
2nd Territorial Pitcher
Wild Card Player
Legacy Pitcher:
Legacy Hitter:

Available Franchises: None right now
4/7/2020 7:39 PM (edited)

RULES FOR TERRITORIAL PROGRESSIVE

LEGACY PLAYER ``Any player who played for your franchise and retired at least one year prior to the one we are playing and has been retired for at least one year. Pick two when signing up. He stays your legacy player through good and bad. His seasons are played in order until he leaves the franchise (skipping years w/o stats so you always have an active legacy player; ex: Ted Williams would be 18 consecutive seasons, moving from 1942 to 1946 and from 1951-1953). Then you pick another. (Franchise names and seasons must match those in baseball reference, partial seasons must only be for your franchise not combined). If the Legacy was a Hitter and Pitcher he counts as 2 options. You can use his Legacy Hitting till the end and also pick him up as a Pitcher later. Can't be used at the same time, but you don't have to use both options either.


TERRITORIAL PLAYERS PICK ONE HITTER AND ONE PITCHER and ONE WILDCARD PLAYER FROM YOUR 1960 ROSTER WHEN SIGNING UP.. They will stay with your team until they leave or are released by you in order to pick up a new WIS rookie. Just to be clear a Territorial must be put in the FA pool once they moved on from your team so you can't keep them past that time. YOU MAY NOT MOVE A PLAYER FROM PITCHER OR HITTER TO WILD CARD OR VICE VERSA) As we are playing WIS a players rookie season is their first WIS eligible season regardless of where or when they actually had their first appearance.


REST OF ROSTER; YEAR - 1 - 18 PLAYERS WILL BE DRAFTER IN A SNAKE STYLE DRAFT, POSITIONS DETERMINED BY combined value of 7 chosen players in year one and reverse order of standings in year 2 and beyond for those finishing 1-12 with a weighted random determination for the top four picks.


Draft Protocols.

While drafts are Off The Clock owners should site mail the next 2 owners after making a selection. Owners should not be skipped while a draft is off the clock.

When drafts are On The Clock owners should not draft before their scheduled time unless there are no missed picks. A round should not be started before the first scheduled time if any previous round has any missed picks. This provision is designed to allow owners with skipped picks to have an opportunity between rounds to make up their missed picks

Trading of Draft Picks. Trading of draft picks is not allowed for the inaugural draft. For subsequent drafts picks may only be traded up to 1 season in advance-that is, during the 1960 SEASON picks may be traded only for 1961 For clarification, as soon as the 1960 season starts, in season trades may include 1961 draft picks.

The Commissioner will set up a keeper thread in the league private forum after the 120 games mark of each season. Keeper lists will be due by the end of each regular season; any owner that fails to do so runs the risk of losing his team. Teams may keep up to 25 players each season plus injured reserve (IR). Each owner is responsible for keeping track of his IR players and making sure each season's keeper list is correct. Failure to list a player as a keeper (including a player returning from IR) means that player will be added to the next available player list, and you risk losing the player. At the end of the regular season, all keeper lists are final, any subsequent roster corrections must be posted directly to the keeper thread in the league forum and site mailed to the Commissioner.

AVAILABLE PLAYERS

Each season the commissioner will post a list of available players for the upcoming draft. This list will be compiled from the list of all WIS-eligible players in the given season, subtracting out all players listed as keepers. The available player list will be published very shortly after all keeper lists have been posted. Since the draft will not start until after the conclusion of the regular season, owners will be given at least 3 days in which to verify that the available player list is correct.

The available players list is considered final once the draft starts – even if it contains mistakes. IT IS EACH OWNER’S RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THAT NONE OF HIS KEEPERS ARE LISTED AS AVAILABLE. In the event that a mistake is made by the commissioner, and a keeper is listed on the available players list, THAT PLAYER WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO BE DRAFTED . Obviously, owners should help each other police the list – if you see someone listed as an available who looks too good to be true, it is likely that a mistake has been made; please point it out. However, if someone slips through the cracks and is drafted, the new owner will get to keep the player and the original owner will lose him.

Similarly, if a player who should be eligible for the draft is not listed on the available list, he may not be drafted. Such a player will be added to the available list for the following season (if still active).

AS A PRECAUTION AGAINST TANKING there will be a random lottery for the first 4 positions in the first round only, with the team with the worst record having 4 chances for the #1 pick, the team with the second worst record having 3 chances for the #1 pick, the team with the third worst record having 2 chances for the #1 pick and the team with the 4th worst record having 1 chance for the #1 pick. If a team fails to meet the 35 win requirement by game 140, they will automatically draft no higher than 3rd, regardless of the results of the lottery.

Subsequent seasons: player drafts will be held prior to each season. Tiebreakers will be divisional records, runs scored in THE LEAGUE, then total regular season run differential. A lottery will be held each season for the 4 lowest win-loss teams. pick.All drafts will be snake style.

Upon conclusion of the annual player draft, I will announce when a 24 hour add/drop phase will begin. You must first drop a player before adding any un-drafted rookies, free agents or cut players from the master list. You are not allowed to drop any legacy or territorial players. You will be limited to 3 add/drops during this phase. Choose wisely...

Disputes: In the event of a dispute where there is no operative rule or guideline, or if their interpretation is unclear, the commissioner will make a ruling. If three or more owners object to the ruling, the commissioner’s view does not stand and the issue is brought to all the owners through a vote which will be notified to all owners through a sitemail.

• Rule Changes: These can be discussed at any time after season one. The first owner to want a rule change should start a thread and we’ll use that going forward to discuss any changes. However, in order to protect owners from having to vote constantly or on frivolous issues, a proposal to make, modify or eliminate a rule must be seconded by three or more owners in addition to the proposing owner before it can be voted on.

• Voting: Each owner gets one vote. 10 OUT OF 16 OWNERS MUST VOTE FOR THE PROPOSAL.The commissioner will vote last and does set the time deadline within which the voting must take place.

As a courtesy to the league, if you are not returning for the following season please notify as soon as possible. That way we can find a replacement to not hold up the proceedings...

4/7/2020 11:02 PM (edited)
Current owners may keep their franchise or drop them, but I'll keep a hold on them till I hear from everyone.
Coming back in 1960 RED and GREEN available to the public or 2nd team.

dspahlinger: Dodgers
1st Territorial - Hitter Maury Wills SS
2nd Territorial - Hitter OF Willie Davis
1st Territorial - Pitcher Don Drysdale
2nd Territorial - Pitcher Johnny Podres
Territorial Wild Card - Sandy Koufax
Legacy Pitcher - P Dazzy Vance 1922-1932, 11 Seasons
Legacy Hitter - OF Zach Wheat 1909 - 1926 18 Seasons

crazyamos: Yankees
1st Territorial Hitter: Mickey Mantle
2nd Territorial Hitter: Elston Howard
1st Territorial Pitcher: Whitey Ford
2nd Territorial Pitcher: Ralph Terry
Territorial Wild Card: Roger Maris, OF
Legacy Hitter: Babe Ruth (1920-1934 15 Seasons)
Legacy Pitcher: Jack Chesboro (1903-1909)

brian1648: Braves (2nd Team)
1st Territorial hitter- Hank Aaron -of
2nd Territorial hitter- Eddie Mathews -3b
1st Territorial pitcher-Warren Spahn
2nd Territorial pitcher- Lew Burdette
Territorial Wild Card- Del Crandall-c
Legacy Hitter- Rogers Hornsby -2b (1928 1 Season)
Legacy Pitcher- John Clarkson -p (1888- 1892 )

jmarino2: Giants
1st Territorial Hitter - Willie Mays
2nd Territorial Hitter-Orlando Cepeda
1st Territorial Pitcher - Juan Marichal
2nd Territorial Pitcher-Mike McCormick
Territorial Wild Card Player - Jack Sanford
Legacy Pitcher: - Christie Mathewson
Legacy Hitter:-Mel Ott (1926 - 1946 21 Seasons)

strubrosil: Tigers
1st Territorial Hitter: Norm Cash
2nd Territorial Hitter: Al Kaline
1st Territorial Pitcher: Jim Bunning
2nd Territorial Pitcher: Frank Lary
Wildcard: Rocky Colavito
Legacy Hitter: Ty Cobb (1905-1926 22 Seasons)
Legacy Pitcher: Schoolboy Rowe

rejay: Indians
1st Territorial Hitter: Johnny Romano
2nd Territorial Hitter: Tito Francona
1st Territorial Pitcher: Jim Perry
2nd Territorial Pitcher: Gary Bell
Wild Card Player: Mudcat Grant
Legacy Pitcher: Addie Joss
Legacy Hitter: Tris Speaker (1916 - 1926 11 Seasons)

stroh23: Reds
1st Territorial Hitter: OF Vada Pinson
2nd Territorial Hitter - SS Leo Cardenas
1st Territorial Pitcher: - Jim O'Toole
2nd Territorial Pitcher - Jim Maloney
Territorial Wildcard: - Frank Robinson
Legacy Pitcher - Noodles Hahn
Legacy Hitter - OF Edd Roush (1916 - 1926 11 Seasons)

fatguyrd: Phillies
1st Territorial Pitcher Chris Short
2nd Territorial Pitcher - Art Mahaffey
1st Territorial Hitter - Pancho Herrerra
2nd Territorial Hitter - Tony Gonzalez
Territorial Wildcard - Johnny Callison
Legacy Pitcher - Pete Alexander
Legacy Hitter - Billy Hamilton (1890 - 1895 6 Seasons)

fabulous: Cardinals
1st Territorial - Hitter: Ken Boyer 3B
2nd Territorial - Hitter : Bill White 1B
1st Territorial Pitcher: Bob Gibson
2nd Territorial Pitcher: Larry Jackson
Territorial Wildcard: Curt Flood OF
Legacy Hitter: Rogers Hornsby (1915 - 1926 12 Seasons)
Legacy Pitcher: Jack Taylor 1904-1906

danidon: Red Sox
1st Territorial Hitter - 3B Frank Malzone
2nd Territorial Hitter - OF Ted Williams - Yaz slides in next season
1st Territorial Pitcher - Bill Monbouquette
2nd Territorial Pitcher - Earl Wilson
Territorial Wild Card Player - OF Gary Geiger
Legacy Pitcher: TDB
Legacy Hitter: TBD

luvyablue: Cubs
1st Territorial Hitter - Ernie Banks
2nd Territorial Hitter - Ron Santo
1st Territorial Pitcher - Dick Ellsworth
2nd Territorial Pitcher - Glen Hobbie
Territorial Wild Card Player - Frank Thomas (will be changed next season to Billy Williams)
Legacy Pitcher: Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown (1904-1912)
Legacy Hitter: Hack Wilson (1926 - 1931 6 Seasons)

brian1648: A's
1st Territorial Hitter
2nd Territorial Hitter
1st Territorial Pitcher
2nd Territorial Pitcher
Wild Card Player
Legacy Pitcher:
Legacy Hitter:

tribe_fan_09: Twins
1st Territorial hitter- Harmon Killebrew
2nd Territorial hitter - Earl Battey
1st Territorial pitcher - Jim Kaat
2nd Territorial pitcher - Camilo Pascual
Territorial Wild card - 0F Bob Allison
Legacy pitcher-Walter Johnson 1907-1927
Legacy hitter- Goose Goslin (1921 - 1930 partial 10 Seasons)

tribe_fan_09: Pirates (2nd Team)
1st Territorial hitter Roberto Clemente
2nd Territorial hitter Bill Mazeroski
1st Territorial pitcher Vern Law
2nd Territorial pitcher Bob Friend
Territorial Wild card Pitcher Roy Face
Legacy hitter Honus Wagner (1900-1917 18 Seasons)
Legacy pitcher Babe Adams 1909-1926

landry19: White Sox
1st Territorial Hitter--Luis Aparicio
2nd Territorial Hitter--Nellie Fox
1st Territorial Pitcher--Early Wynn
2nd Territorial Pitcher--Billy Pierce
Territorial Wild Card Player--Jim Landis
Legacy Pitcher:--Ed Walsh
Legacy Hitter:-- Luke Appling (1931 - 1950 19 Seasons)

fatguyrd: Baltimore Orioles (2nd Team)
1st Territorial Hitter Brooks Robinson
2nd Territorial Hitter Gus Triandos
1st Territorial Pitcher Steve Barber
2nd Territorial Pitcher Milt Pappas
Territorial Wild Card - Hoyt Willhelm
Legacy Pitcher - Barney Pelty
Legacy Hitter- George Sisler (1915 - 1927 12 Seasons)
4/8/2020 11:26 AM (edited)
Back and keeping the Twins.
4/7/2020 9:52 AM
Back and keeping the Dodgers

Territorial Hitter Maury Wills SS
Territorial Pitcher Don Drysdale
Territorial Wild Card Sandy Koufax
Legacy Player P Dazzy Vance 1922-1932, 11 Seasons
4/7/2020 10:42 AM
Back again, I'll keep the Cubs but I may want to switch teams depending on how things go.
4/7/2020 11:18 AM
Posted by luvyablue on 4/7/2020 11:18:00 AM (view original):
Back again, I'll keep the Cubs but I may want to switch teams depending on how things go.
Ok I'll hold the Cubs for you. I also have 2-3 owners looking for a 2nd team or to switch so if you have a preference on another team let me know.
4/7/2020 11:20 AM
I will stay with the Reds. Would have rather stayed in the 50's the earlier the better for me but I will take what I can get.

Hittrer : OF Vada Pinson
Pitcher: Jim O'Toole
Wildcard: Frank Robinson
Legacy Noodles Hahn
4/7/2020 11:29 AM
Pass on the indians
4/7/2020 11:37 AM
Not enough Territorial players,.with only 4/25 representing your team you still have no team identity..

Should be 2 hitters, 2 pitchers, 1 wildcard, 1 leagacy hitter and 1 legacy pitcher.
4/7/2020 11:40 AM
I will help out with the Cardinals
Now Good Commissioner = Now Good Draft
Hitter: Ken Boyer 3B
2nd Hitter : Bill White 1B
Pitcher: Bob Gibson
2nd P: Larry Jackson
Wildcard: Curt Flood OF
Legacy Hitter: Rogers Hornsby
Legacy Pitcher: Jack Taylor 1904-1906
4/7/2020 1:34 PM (edited)
Posted by fabulous on 4/7/2020 11:42:00 AM (view original):
I will help out with the Cardinals
Now Good Commissioner = Now Good Draft
Hitter: Ken Boyer
Pitcher: Bob Gibson
Wildcard: Larry Jackson P
Legacy: Rogers Hornsby
Thanks - as previous members of my progressive leagues know I try to do my best. Now that I don't have as much pain in my hands I should be fine to set this league up.
4/7/2020 11:49 AM
Posted by Landry19 on 4/7/2020 11:40:00 AM (view original):
Not enough Territorial players,.with only 4/25 representing your team you still have no team identity..

Should be 2 hitters, 2 pitchers, 1 wildcard, 1 leagacy hitter and 1 legacy pitcher.
I do agree that we want to see more of the players that played with our franchise than not. Before we get too far into the thinking, I may take a vote on upping the amount of territorials, but I'd like to take a good look at all the teams and see if it's worth it to the bad teams. The 2 Legacy might help out the little guys as well.
4/7/2020 12:02 PM
I would be in favor of increasing the number of Territorials, am ambivalent about 2 Legacy Players
4/7/2020 12:10 PM
I like the idea of 7 out of 25 players will be from your franchise. I'm willing to make the change to 2 hitters, 2 pitchers, 1 wild care and 2 legacy if all agree.

I was on the fence for 2 legacy as well, but the worse teams could really benefit from those 2 players.
4/7/2020 12:23 PM
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