Is it just me or are their too many outfield missed catch errors in this game? A typical MLB outfielder will have maybe two or three missed catch errors in a season. Even a guy with a 55 glove rating shouldn't have more than eight or nine in a season. And yet this guy with 85 glove has 11 outfield missed catch errors. Every outfield error becomes a double, too, and some of his have been very costly. It is not an exaggeration to say this could be the difference between a playoff bye and the #5 seed.

Anyone else feel the same way?

He is having a bad year from an errors perspective, but there are peaks and valleys on defense just like on offense. If he had 85 glove and made 11 missed catch errors in LF, I would be concerned, but 85 glove at CF is the rating where you will make a league average amount of errors in CF over the course of a career.

Not sure if real MLB scorers would score some of this players missed catches as errors. The player has excellent range. My bet would be that some of those are where he gets to a ball most CF don't get to, but then he is barely unable to hang on.

https://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/pages/main/worldsnapshot.aspx tells you what you need to know about statistics across all worlds.

On this particular topic-- the above website shows that every game has an average of 1/9 of an error in CF. They're ALL drop-catch errors; OFs don't make throwing errors in HBD, it's probably the worst bug in the gameplay engine. Since there are 2 CFs in every game, the average HBD CF makes 9 drop-catch errors per 162 games. For what it's worth, that number is 4.5 per 162 in RF, and 5.6 per 162 in LF.

In MLB in 2019, there were a total of 152 errors by CFs, or 5 errors per team per 162. That number is about the same in LF and RF.

So we have two OF error problems in HBD; CF's make almost 2x too many errors overall, and all OF errors are drop-catch errors.

Update--about 25% of outfield errors are throwing errors in MLB. So there are about 2.5x the number of drop-catch errors in CF in HBD as in MLB.

Posted by dedelman on 1/1/2021 1:32:00 PM (view original):
https://www.whatifsports.com/hbd/pages/main/worldsnapshot.aspx tells you what you need to know about statistics across all worlds.

On this particular topic-- the above website shows that every game has an average of 1/9 of an error in CF. They're ALL drop-catch errors; OFs don't make throwing errors in HBD, it's probably the worst bug in the gameplay engine. Since there are 2 CFs in every game, the average HBD CF makes 9 drop-catch errors per 162 games. For what it's worth, that number is 4.5 per 162 in RF, and 5.6 per 162 in LF.

In MLB in 2019, there were a total of 152 errors by CFs, or 5 errors per team per 162. That number is about the same in LF and RF.

So we have two OF error problems in HBD; CF's make almost 2x too many errors overall, and all OF errors are drop-catch errors.

Excellent excellent excellent. Thanks for sharing the link.

Appreciate you guys doing the research, however, one might argue that the type of error doesn't matter. Like many other things in this game, it's purely cosmetic. We've been told many times that the game engine first determines the outcome of an at-bat then applies the cosmetics as to how it happened. By that logic, all that matters is that whether there was an out made, or a base taken, and in the case of an error, whether an extra base was taken.

In the case of outfield errors, it actually does matter whether they are fielding or throwing errors, because the former means an out wasn't recorded, while the latter almost always happens after an out. The same is true for infield throwing errors on the back end of a double play, which I don't think I've ever seen in this game. It's not high on my list of things that need to be fixed (I'd place it well below "make there be less outfield errors") but it does hinder the game's realism.

how does this impact glove ratings vs arm accuracy? it seems then that glove ratings matter a lot and arm accuracy is irrelevant, no?

The World Snapshot page is interesting...how can you navigate to it other than click on your link, so we know where to find it later?

I have no idea how to navigate there, I saved the link.

In one of my worlds I have a CF with these ratings 80-77-57-64 1 error in 35 starts, 6 the previous season starting 162 games. Not bad with the defense he has.

Six errors in CF is pretty bad! It would be in the top five in MLB every year since 2010. Probably further back than that, too. The fact it's "not bad" in this game strongly suggests something is wrong with the engine.

Just as I suspected.

B.Moore botches a routine flyball and R.Ozuna reaches on the error.

So, my 88/87 CF was charged with an error despite showing good range. It read as a +/- type of play. However, he isn't charged with a negative play, he is charged with an error. I think in real life, the scorer would just mark this as a hit. When I scroll over the +/- it reads, good range shown by B. Moore.

Posted by tlowster on 1/10/2021 1:01:00 PM (view original):
Just as I suspected.

B.Moore botches a routine flyball and R.Ozuna reaches on the error.

So, my 88/87 CF was charged with an error despite showing good range. It read as a +/- type of play. However, he isn't charged with a negative play, he is charged with an error. I think in real life, the scorer would just mark this as a hit. When I scroll over the +/- it reads, good range shown by B. Moore.

I agree. I have an 88/88 CF with 6 errors in 77 games.

I just went through the game logs and only one of Carroll's 11 errors was on a "good range shown" play. I don't think that possibility can explain all of the excess errors CFs commit. I think the game simply creates too many outfield errors.