2008 Astros in Franchise With Farm System TAKEN Topic

Edited- this team is available going into 2008. We've had another owner in the league cover it during the 2007 season, and he made some trades to try to strengthen it for the future.

We need a new owner for the Houston Astros in the Franchise With Farm System, going into 2008. The 2008 draft starts next week.

The basic league concept is that each franchise gets the rookies who make their WIS debuts with that franchise in real-life. So for example, that is why the Astros had Bagwell, Berkman, Biggio, Luis Gonzalez, etc. Otherwise, rookies can be drafted from the franchises that are not used in the league (Cleveland, Toronto, Milwaukee, San Francisco, San Diego, Detroit, Colorado, Florida, Arizona, Tampa Bay), and anyone is fair game for trades or cuts.

The Astros keepers for 2008 are posted below. Atlanta has dominated the NL West lately, but with Smoltz, Glavine, and Maddux nearing the ends of their careers, that division should be wide open in 2008 and beyond.

Sitemail me and post here if interested, or if you have questions.

Keepers for 2008:
C: Bengie Molina, Brandon Inge
1B: Lance Berkman
2B: Aaron Hill, Aaron Miles
3B:
SS: Marco Scutaro, Bobby Crosby
OF: Bobby Abreu, Hunter Pence, Franklin Gutierrez, Luis Gonzalez, Scott Podsednik
SP: Roy Oswalt, Wandy Rodriguez, Livan Hernandez, Andy Sonnestine, Tim Redding
RP: CJ Wilson, Jake Westbrook, Tim Byrdak, Scott Linebrink, Taylor Bucholtz, Leo Nunez, Robinson Tejada, Santiago Casilla

IR: P Yovani Gallardo (09)


Houston has traded its 2008 1st, 2nd, and 4th round picks for some of the players who are now keepers.
6/27/2022 9:01 PM (edited)
Original league rules are copied below and edited for subsequent changes. Most of these have to do with how the league was started. The main things now are the franchise's rookies, the draft, and 25-man keeper lists:

Concept: Start with 24 20 of the real franchises and their 1977 rosters. In subsequent seasons, each franchise gets the rookies who really came up with that team. For example, Oakland gets Dwayne Murphy and others in 1978, Rickey Henderson and others in 1979, etc, eventually getting McGwire and Canseco... The rookies are assigned based on their first team during their first WIS-eligible season. This is a WIS version of mimicking the real-life farm systems for each franchise.

Contraction Draft and Rookie Drafts: For the two six franchises that are not claimed in 1977, their players are all eligible for an initial draft - sort of a "contraction draft" compared to the real-life 1977. In subsequent seasons, their rookies are draft eligible. So for example if no one selects the Detroit Tigers franchise, then Lou Whitaker, Alan Trammell, and Lance Parrish will all be draft-eligible in 1978. The contraction draft will go in reverse order of the franchises' real-life 1977 winning percentages, or maybe a composite 1977-1981 winning percentage -that can be discussed after we get enough owners signed up. Edit: Reverse order (worst to first) of a franchise's total wins, 1977-1981, with 1977 double counted.

Obviously the rookie draft will never be very deep, since the rookies will only come from two six franchises until the expansions of 1993 and beyond. Rookie draft order will be set by your franchise's sim winning percentage compared to its real-life winning percentage. If your team over-performs compared to real-life, it gets rewarded with better draft position. This should discourage tanking. Playoff teams drop to the last four spots in the draft (17-20).

Keepers / Waivers: I'm thinking let everyone keep up to 35 25 players, using real players for AAA. The catch is that any player who is not on injured reserve (missing from the WIS database for that season) has to appear in at least 5 of your games, or he will be waived and put into the draft pool. So if a good prospect has a lousy season, you can't just park him in AAA the entire season… he has to at least make a few appearances. But it is up to individual owners to police this - if it is your turn to draft and you see that Cincinnati didn't let that crappy young 1970's Mario Soto into 5 or more games, go ahead and draft him! You get rewarded for doing your homework and finding a steal. Edit: The 25 keeper limit includes rookies for the following season. If you are too late posting keepers, they will be assigned based on your player usage in the previous season, so we can get on with the draft. In that case, your keepers will be all your franchise's new rookies, and your returning players with the most (PA+IP) in the current (or recently concluded) sim season.

5-game rule amendment: Allow a team to use its 1st-round pick to draft multiple players it had listed as keepers, but who failed the 5-game test. Even then, the team in question would have to wait its turn in the draft and hope the players remain available. [This basically comes into play if you forget to get keepers into at least 5 games during the season, but notice your mistake after the draft has started.]

Since there are not many quality players to choose from in each year's draft, the off-season should move very quickly… if you miss your time slot for the draft, we'll move on to the next owner, and you probably won't be missing out on a player who is worth complaining about anyway. The idea for this league came partly from frustration waiting for a normal progressive to move from season to season, and partly from realizing that sometimes life just gets in the way of doing these drafts.

Extra Pitching: One quirk I would like to include, but other owners can vote this down if it is too unpopular… each team will get one additional pitcher per season, randomly drawn from a pool of moderate-quality pre-1960 pitchers with around 100 IP and around $2.5-3.0 M salaries. The purpose is to bolster the balance of pitching versus offense, since all progressives I've been in have had ridiculous offensive stats. This gives every team one more competent pitcher for the bullpen, or a spot starter, but not someone you would build a team around. THIS RULE HAS BEEN ELIMINATED.

Hall of Fame: If enough owners are interested, we'll cast Hall of Fame ballots for players whose WIS careers have recently ended. I'll try to post career stats for candidates, merging pre-1977 real-life with the progressive's stats. But anyone can nominate a player. Inductees so far are Eddie Murray, Dave Winfield, Nolan Ryan, George Brett, Dale Murphy, Kirby Puckett.

Miscellaneous (mostly from questions posted below, or settings in theme league wizard; most of these details can be voted down if enough owners object):
- Standard WIS format (three 4-team divisions per league, with wildcard and interleague play) Four 5-team divisions, aligned similar to real life as much as possible.
- No salary cap
- No moving teams / ballparks until after 5 seasons (1981). After that, you can use your 1st round rookie draft pick to move to an available ballpark. But that only changes your ballpark, not your franchise name and available rookies. For example, if no one takes the NY Yankees when the league gets started, then someone can eventually move their franchise to Yankee Stadium. The Boston Red Sox could become the New York Red Sox (imagine that!), with Boggs, Clemens, etc coming up in the farm system. A team that has moved cannot move again for at least 5 seasons.
- DH in AL only
- Trades are mostly unrestricted, but subject to veto by 6 owners. Limit on trading draft picks or rookies too far out in the future (see my posts below).
- Transaction Deadline / Deadline for Keepers at 120 game mark.
- No injuries (I'm open to suggestions on that - I've never seen them used in WIS) Edit: I incorrectly thought WIS had finally implemented multi-game injuries. I'm fine with using in-game injuries.
- For players who missed 1977 in WIS, but were not rookies when they returned later, they go into the rookie draft pool when they return. They do not belong to a team first.
5/2/2022 12:20 AM
great fun league, Astros have some good talent in the farms for the future
5/7/2022 8:39 AM
Astros have Berkman, Abreu, Oswalt, Lidge and Wagner still in their prime for a few seasons.
They also have young talent like Hunter Pence, Wandy Rodriguez and Yovani Gallardo still to hit their prime.
And a good mix of veterans still contributing like Aaron Hill, Bengie Molina, Kenny Lofton and Craig Biggio is on pace to get his 3,000th career hit this season - a mark only 10 other players in league history have reached.

Houston has finished 2nd in their division 4 seasons in a row and Atlanta looks like they’re finally ready to come back to the pack and give someone else a chance.

But the best part about Houston, and in my opinion the best thing about this league, is the farm system. In the next few seasons the Astros will start to get the core of their current real life World Series teams plus other stars like JD Martinez.

Whether you’re new to prog leagues or a seasoned vet, this team has the pieces in place to build a competitive roster for the next decade!
5/7/2022 4:30 PM
if Houston is still open id be glad to take them
5/21/2022 10:59 PM
Sitemail me if interested in the Astros franchise for 2008 and beyond.
6/27/2022 9:02 PM
2008 Astros in Franchise With Farm System TAKEN Topic

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