Upcoming Release - NEW SPREADSHEET Topic

Man, owner ratings are such a joke. I've been playing very little time at all and am in the top 10 with very few teams (as in, one complete season, 2 near complete and 1 that just started). I don't know how that happens, so I just assume that the owner ratings mean nothing.

(not trying to insult you, abrondon!)
8/27/2008 10:56 PM
Ash...Here's an idea: STFU

edit:You are making me uptight and uncalm
8/27/2008 11:03 PM
My comment:

I have thoroughly enjoyed the sim since I joined over 2 years ago. I think for the most part I have looked forward to each new release because it keeps things fresh and challenging. I like to try and take advantage of additions/adjustments/revisions and put together winning squads with what's available to me.

Have a good evening.
8/27/2008 11:04 PM
Quote: Originally posted by 98average on 8/27/2008Ash...Here's an idea: STFU

edit:You are making me uptight and uncalm

Here's an idea:

In the 13 minutes you waited before you posted again, you could have clicked on the little link at the top of the page that says, "NBASimLeague Forums" and checked to see if any of those posts my pertain to the upcoming patch!

I'm sure that's too complicated for you, though. You'd rather sit in one spot and pound your fist like a child, and then insult other people who call you out on it.
8/27/2008 11:24 PM
Lmao


Why did u pull your team out of the open league I'm in? I'm thinkin in the 21 minutes between my post and yours you pounded your fist like a child, made your last post with tears in your eyes, pulled your team out of the open league, then sat in the corner and wept holding your teddy bear. Jesus. Calm down.



On another note I agree with Sly, it's always nice to get a new challenge.
8/28/2008 1:35 AM
Oh, you were in that league? Don't flatter yourself. I wanted to tweak the team a bit. I'll be back - and probably in your division. Not that I expect someone of your vast wisdom and skill to let me sniff .500...
8/28/2008 2:43 AM
There still seems to be position effectiveness inaccuracies. If McHale, Parish & Bird were the frontcourt for the Celtics once McHale became a starter, when did McHale log a lot of mintues at SF?

The Mailman above 95% SF in most 90's years is very questionable. When the starting forwards were Malone & Blue Edwards, it's pretty obvious that Edwards played SF. The same holds true when Tyrone Corbin, David Benoit & Bryon Russell started for the Jazz.

You can make a case for KG to be higher than low 90s at SF in some years especially given Malone & McHale's SF effectiveness. He played more SF in 2001-02 with Joe Smith as the other starting forward than Malone & McHale ever did with their respective teams.

Jordan at 91% PG in 1988-89 is a travesty. Doug Collins got so dissatisfied with his PGs that he moved Jordan there (see the article below).

Bulls' Jordan Makes a New Point by Gerry Fraley

Atlanta Journal and Constitution. April 9, 1989

Michael Jordan now plays point guard, which means the Chicago Bulls give the ball more often to the NBA's most productive offensive player.

How does that strike the rest of the NBA?

"I don't like it," Atlanta Hawks guard Doc Rivers said. "I think it's terrible. It's not fair."

"He was a nightmare already," Hawks coach Mike Fratello said. "Now, he gets the ball even more."

"Everybody wonders why they didn't do it before," Golden State coach Don Nelson said.

Chicago general manager Jerry Krause found some humor in his team's switch of Jordan from the shooting guard position.

"It's like the old joke about the 2,000-pound gorilla," Krause said. "Where does he sleep? Anywhere he wants. Great players can play different positions."

No other NBA player has made a change of more league-altering significance. Los Angeles Lakers point guard Magic Johnson played center against Philadelphia in the 1980 NBA Finals, but that lasted only one game. Injust 16 games at point guard, Jordan has gone from the league's leading scorer the last two seasons to being lumped with Johnson, John Stockton of Utah and Isiah Thomas of Detroit as the elite among NBA point guards. Jordan may already be the best of the group.

Entering today's 12:35 p.m. game against the Hawks at The Omni, Jordan has seven triple-doubles (double-figure totals in scoring, rebounding and assists) in the last eight games. His streak of seven consecutive triple-doubles ended Friday in a 114-112 overtime loss to Detroit in which Jordan finished with 40 points, 11 assists and seven rebounds. Before Jordan's run, the most consecutive triple-doubles in the league this season was two, by Johnson and Portland's Clyde Drexler.

Since Oscar Robertson, who averaged double-figure totals in each category over a full season for his first six years in the league, Johnson has the most triple-doubles in a season with 18. Jordan already has 11 triple-doubles while learning the new position.

"Everybody has to watch him with the ball," Drexler said. "The other guys are free to roam, and their shooting percentages are going to soar. I think (Jordan) handles the ball better than Magic. (Jordan) just makes everybody else better. When he gets used to that position . . . "

The significance of the move can be better measured by the tremors it has sent through the league. Many things have changed.

Jordan has changed the Bulls. They are 11-5 since the switch and have created a three-way race with the Hawks and Milwaukee for the fourth playoff spot - and homecourt advantage in the first round - in the Eastern Conference.

Jordan has changed the playoff outlook. In four seasons with him at shooting guard, the Bulls are 5-15 in the playoffs and have advanced past the first round just once. They wilted at playoff time because of too much reliance on Jordan and limited contributions elsewhere.

Having Jordan as a point guard "certainly makes them a better team," Knicks coach Rick Pitino said. In the playoffs, when the point guard takes pre-eminence, there is "no doubt about them being a force," Pitino said.

The move was born of frustration.

"It's a challenge, and that basically is what Michael Jordan is all about," Jordan said. "I've been bothered for some time about the Bulls being a one-dimensional team, a Michael Jordan team. The thing I've been harping about all year has come true. The other guys are getting into the game. They now believe in themselves, and that's what we needed.

"For the most part, I'm starting to like it. I never dreamed I'd play that position - me, a lifelong (shooting) guard. But it helps. I can call my own plays and get everyone else involved in the offense."

The passive reactions of teammates triggered the change. In each of the last two seasons, Jordan outscored the Bulls' second-leading scorer by an average of 22.6 points. Only one other player in NBA history, Wilt Chamberlain, had a greater margin over his team's runner-up in scoring.

Given the Bulls' obvious dependence on Jordan, opponents designed defenses to wear him down. The muggings were pronounced in the fourth quarter, when the Bulls' offense was designed to get the ball to Jordan and get out of the way. Playing one-on-five too often, the Bulls languished in fifth place, and Jordan chafed under the growing label of scorer but not winner.

Jordan, whose unhappiness at a lack of help in the offense was well known, buckled under the demands. On March 8, his consecutive-game streak ended at 235 because of a pulled groin muscle. Jordan's psyche was of more concern to the Bulls. The next day, coach Doug Collins met with a depressed Jordan for two hours to hash out the situation.

The resolution: Jordan would change to point guard to replace the injured Sam Vincent.

The purpose: Jordan would become the creator and therefore force the rest of the team to become more involved on offense.

The benefit: The Bulls' best player would handle the ball more often but be spared some of the dirty work that was wearing him down.

Jordan tried point guard briefly in the exhibition season but did not like it. This time, frustration moved him to accept a major change.

"Doug, in talking with Michael and the staff, thought this was the right time to fool with it," Krause said. "The move has definitely helped us in many, many ways. It's gotten Michael into more of a leadership position, which we talked about with him for a long time. It's hard to lead when you're a (shooting) guard. When you're the (point) guard, leadership is easier.

"Michael gets a big kick out of getting our players more involved. He likes the position now, and that's a big factor. He's enjoying himself and having a lot more fun."

The fun comes from having less pain. For shooting guards, the body goes first because of the hammering that goes with the position. At 6- feet-6 and 195 pounds, the slender Jordan is under-equipped for that part of the game. The physical demands combined with a league-leading total in minutes last season and this season were draining Jordan.

For point guards, the legs are more important than the body. Jordan "can run all day," Rivers said, and it is much harder to hit a moving target in the open court.

Less physical pounding leaves Jordan fresher at the end, when the Bulls still ask him to do much. The difference now is Jordan has more energy for the final charge.

"The beauty of Michael Jordan at point guard is he can walk through the whole game and save himself for the fourth quarter," Nelson said. "Then, he can turn it on or wait on any one point when he feels it's necessary."

Jordan has brought young forwards Horace Grant, who complained in February about not getting enough shots, and Scottie Pippen into the offense. With Jordan at point guard, Grant has averaged 11.5 shots and 14.7 points per game while Pippen has averaged 14.5 shots and 19.8 points per game. In the previous alignment, Grant averaged 9.3 shots and 11.5 points and Pippen averaged 12 shots and 13 points.

"So many people key on Michael that you're usually going to have one or two guys open all the time," Hawks forward Dominique Wilkins said. "It makes them that much more effective. It depends on how the other players respond to it, and they've responded very well."

Jordan's response was also vital to the change. While a shooting guard, he had proven he could perform the essentials of point-guard play: passing, defense and sound judgment. The uncertainty was how Jordan would handle a small decrease in scoring chances.

He still leads the league in scoring, but his average has dropped from 34.2 at the All-Star break to 32.3. Jordan has also taken about four fewer shots a game.

"What he's done is an incredible sacrifice," said Rivers, who plays both guard spots. "He was already carrying the team. To sacrifice shots and points, I've never seen a sacrifice like that. It's just incredible. That tells you how much he wants to win. He doesn't care who does it. He just wants to win."
8/28/2008 4:04 AM
Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 8/26/2008Just because you bought 545 teams, doesn't mean everyone else will do the same...get this...there will be people that up and quit or at least cut back because of the changes...look how busy the sim was 4-5 years ago compared to now.


Reality check. People do not keep coming back to play the same game over and over again for years. It's called boredom, a point made a couple of times over the last several years.

Another reality check. People don't go to this site if they don't know it even exists. It is called advertisement -- a topic discussed a couple of times in the last few years. Perhaps you are having another convenient amnesia episode? I came to this site because it was advertise elsewhere while I was doing a fantasy basketball league. It was by luck. I might have seen a link to WIS in a blog while reading up on the players, don't recall the exact site. I don't see WIS mentioned anywhere today.

Again, another reality check. People did complain about the sim in 2003 including the salaries. Nothing has changed.
8/28/2008 5:31 AM
One thing that remains to be seen is how that shot% will be attributed. I'm hoping it won't be estimated with that same formula that gave us the O range ratings cause that would be 4 quarters for a dollar thing. As pointed out in a previous post I'm not sure how they will come up with where players from the past took their shots from, looks like more subjectivity will be involved.

8/28/2008 5:44 AM
Excellent point and article, Pumpfake. I tried to make the same argument in another thread once upon a time, but no effect apparently. Glad to hear another voice in the chorus, though. I've been hankering to run that Jordan at point for the longest time, yet that 91% just sits there laughing at me. I mean freaking SEVEN consecutive triple doubles, and finished in the teens for the season. I remember as a fan when that was happening. It was beyond belief. And Jordan, if I recall, was against the move, which is probably why he didn't run point in any other season. But against it or not, he still was a point guard that year. And I'm certain he wasn't protesting by playing at only 91% effort.
8/28/2008 11:01 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By ashleyscott on 8/28/2008
Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 8/26/2008 Just because you bought 545 teams, doesn't mean everyone else will do the same...get this...there will be people that up and quit or at least cut back because of the changes...look how busy the sim was 4-5 years ago compared to now.


Reality check. People do not keep coming back to play the same game over and over again for years. It's called boredom, a point made a couple of times over the last several years.

Another reality check. People don't go to this site if they don't know it even exists. It is called advertisement -- a topic discussed a couple of times in the last few years. Perhaps you are having another convenient amnesia episode? I came to this site because it was advertise elsewhere while I was doing a fantasy basketball league. It was by luck. I might have seen a link to WIS in a blog while reading up on the players, don't recall the exact site. I don't see WIS mentioned anywhere today.

Again, another reality check. People did complain about the sim in 2003 including the salaries. Nothing has changed.
Perhaps you missed this little known fact that FOX Sports bought out WIS in either 2004 or 2005...and they have pushed these games...and what's the result been...essentially the same $ numbers for the NBA sim....pretty pathetic, no?
8/28/2008 11:10 AM
abrondon and pumpfake: you guys should make your cases in the thread hurley started specifically for pos eff.
8/28/2008 11:46 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By slymonium on 8/28/2008abrondon and pumpfake: you guys should make your cases in the thread hurley started specifically for pos eff
where it's already been made and potentially accepted you'll be happy to note
8/28/2008 12:10 PM
Thanks for sharing the news, Monkee!
8/28/2008 1:13 PM
If I've read the last day's worth of posts correctly:

colonels19 is happy with the second round of changes.

monkee is defending the sim, joining seble in a heartfelt, tearjerking round of Kum-ba-yah.

hurley711 is a raving drunk, criticizing changes he pushed for.
8/28/2008 2:58 PM
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