Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 4/06/2010Zoubek set an NCAA Record with 16 fouls last night. Too bad Cahill only called 4 of them

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 4/06/2010Zoubek set an NCAA Record with 16 fouls last night. Too bad Cahill only called 4 of them


Figured there'd be someone complaining about the reffing last night. Damn man, Butler shot MORE free throws than Duke. What more do you want?

Quote: Originally Posted By acn24 on 4/06/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 4/06/2010
Zoubek set an NCAA Record with 16 fouls last night. Too bad Cahill only called 4 of them.

Please - the game was officiated pretty well last night. They let Duke get away with some banging underneath, they let Butler grab and hold jerseys on the perimeter all night. They established what was going to go and were consistent with it, and that is all you can ask.

Quote: Originally Posted By tmacfan12 on 4/06/2010No one argue with zhawks. He is ALWAYS right. I mean, he said Duke was going to lose early but that doesn't count because the refs won it for them, right? I mean there is no way that Duke could actually win by themselves.

Cue the "shut up tmac, I can't be wrong. I am always right and you are an idiot. I am just going to bring up the points for the side I like and when someone brings up the opposite points i will disregard them. I am right

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 4/06/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By acn24 on 4/06/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 4/06/2010
Zoubek set an NCAA Record with 16 fouls last night. Too bad Cahill only called 4 of them.

Please - the game was officiated pretty well last night. They let Duke get away with some banging underneath, they let Butler grab and hold jerseys on the perimeter all night. They established what was going to go and were consistent with it, and that is all you can ask.

They let Schyer get away with a goal tending, they called a charge on butler that was clearly a defensive foul, numerous over the backs that were not called (and please don't start with the 'he is tall' crap, he still goes over the back)... I can come up with many more if you'd like.

The reffing was not good nor was it consistant.

And dcy, c'mon man throwing out a ft stat doesn't mean anything about whether the game was reffed good or not.

All I ever ask for is consistancy, i don't care if it is consistant good or bad reffing but it has to be consistant both ways.

Quote: Originally Posted By acn24 on 4/06/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 4/06/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By acn24 on 4/06/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 4/06/2010
Zoubek set an NCAA Record with 16 fouls last night. Too bad Cahill only called 4 of them.

Please - the game was officiated pretty well last night. They let Duke get away with some banging underneath, they let Butler grab and hold jerseys on the perimeter all night. They established what was going to go and were consistent with it, and that is all you can ask.

They let Schyer get away with a goal tending, they called a charge on butler that was clearly a defensive foul, numerous over the backs that were not called (and please don't start with the 'he is tall' crap, he still goes over the back)... I can come up with many more if you'd like.

The reffing was not good nor was it consistant.

And dcy, c'mon man throwing out a ft stat doesn't mean anything about whether the game was reffed good or not.

All I ever ask for is consistancy, i don't care if it is consistant good or bad reffing but it has to be consistant both ways.

Both sides can complain about the refs. Every time Scheyer, Singler or Smith came off a screen a Butler defender had a handful of jersey. Howard would have played 3 minutes if they called every hook he committed on the offensive end.

If you want to complain that they best team that played this season didn't win the National Championship, fine, that is probably true. But there certainly isn't any justification that Duke was handed the title either.



Thank goodness someone actually watched the game without a biased opinion.

Zack, don't let your hatred cloud your vision of what happened last night. Guess you must have missed the illegal screen that Singler got crushed on that allowed Hayward to nearly win the game with that halfcourt shot. Had that shot went in and the foul not been called (as it wasn't), would you have pointed THAT out? Doubt it.

And unimpressive road or not (which is YOUR opinion, by the way), Duke met every challenge put in front of them. No other team in this tourney can say that. But I'm sure that the refs had everything to do with that (key the sarcasm music)........

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 4/06/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By acn24 on 4/06/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 4/06/2010
Zoubek set an NCAA Record with 16 fouls last night. Too bad Cahill only called 4 of them.

Please - the game was officiated pretty well last night. They let Duke get away with some banging underneath, they let Butler grab and hold jerseys on the perimeter all night. They established what was going to go and were consistent with it, and that is all you can ask.

They let Schyer get away with a goal tending, they called a charge on butler that was clearly a defensive foul, numerous over the backs that were not called (and please don't start with the 'he is tall' crap, he still goes over the back)... I can come up with many more if you'd like.

The reffing was not good nor was it consistant.

And dcy, c'mon man throwing out a ft stat doesn't mean anything about whether the game was reffed good or not.

All I ever ask for is consistancy, i don't care if it is consistant good or bad reffing but it has to be consistant both ways.



How was it not consistent? Explain please. You throw out ONE example of a foul that was a "block" that was called a charge. I'd argue that the blocking foul that Zoubek got called with was actually a charge since he had established his position, so there's one that went the other way. Isn't grabbing a player's jersey supposed to be an intentional foul, going strictly by the rule book? How many of those did Butler get charged with? Oh, right, none.

And you do realize that just because some has you blocked out doesn't automatically mean you've went over his back, right? if there is no contact then it's not over the back. If a 6 foot 2 tall Butler player was trying to block Zoubek out and Zoubek just outreached him, then that's NOT over the back. You know that right?

I'd argue that on the play that the ball went out of bounds off of Zoubek's leg with about 33 seconds that a foul should have been called on Butler. That **** happens on the street, in the real world, and that Butler player gets charged with assault. It goes both ways, bud. To say that the game wasn't called "consistently" is just someone who is biased and mad that the "wrong" team won.

Quote: Originally Posted By professor17 on 4/06/2010I thought the officiating was overwhelmingly pro-Butler. If the game had been called fairly, this would have been a fairly comfortable Duke win, and I completely empathize with Coach K for taking a shot at the refs in the post-game press conference. They very nearly stole a national championship from him.


What a breath of fresh air......But just wait Professor, it won't be long until Zack is on here telling you just how wrong you really are.

Quote: Originally Posted By professor17 on 4/06/2010Very surprised this was a competitive game. I fully expected Duke to win by 20+. I'm not a Duke fan, but as far as I'm concerned, Coach K is the greatest coach in the history of the game.