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I am in a 200 Mil Cap League (yeah I know...I just wanted to play in something) where some moron drafted a starting lineup of Big O, Jordan, Bird,  Baylor, and Wilt.  He then complained and said that he was going to submit a ticket because there was no way that hie team could be as bad as it is.  I told him that you can't draft a team and throw usage out the window, but this is the mentality that we are dealing with here.

More money after a while is just more money.  You can only get so much.  I think that eventually we have to get to the point that this isn't a NBA Sim, but more an arcade sim with NBA players names being used.

I am becoming more of the opinion that PPG is equal to RBI in baseball.  Scoring is a byproduct of usage and efg% and the disparity of fg% and 3fg% along with number of possessions (which should be a byproduct of defense and rebounding).

Ash is right about some players especially Dream (and by being the foremost expert/fanboy of Olajuwon I am qualified to make this statement) being horribly under represented in the sim.  Dream is great if you can cover 10%-20% of his minutes because of the ridiculous foul trouble.  Of course "clutch factor" could help properly evaluate some players.
1/20/2011 8:51 PM
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It makes me mad because Hakeem was one of my favorite players ever... yet I won't use him in the sim except when handed him in ridiculous situations (like round 3 of the funk52 a couple of seasons ago... and I regretted using him).
1/20/2011 9:05 PM
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Wasted usage=wasted salary.  Yes I know.  But given that we are in a restricted environment, your best option for something like rebounds JUST MIGHT be a guy with more usage than a Rodman for example.  (Gerald Wallace comes to mind).  Or, you may may be looking at a guy who gives you those boards, but only in  a full season, not just the partial season you need etc, etc.  I get your point.

Thanks for breaking the sim down for us, Ash.  You know there is a guy available that gives you that lineup right?  I would feel guilty using him now though!
1/20/2011 9:16 PM
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Posted by ashamael on 1/20/2011 8:48:00 PM (view original):
I'm using Jon Barry instead of the following list of players:

Kobe Bryant
Dwyane Wade
Paul Pierce
Ray Allen
Penny Hardaway
Gary Payton

I'm too depressed to continue this list... lol.
mine could also include Glen Rice, Michael Redd and Tracy McGrady and Im not sure what else yet
1/20/2011 10:01 PM
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Posted by malone9975 on 1/20/2011 8:51:00 PM (view original):
I am in a 200 Mil Cap League (yeah I know...I just wanted to play in something) where some moron drafted a starting lineup of Big O, Jordan, Bird,  Baylor, and Wilt.  He then complained and said that he was going to submit a ticket because there was no way that hie team could be as bad as it is.  I told him that you can't draft a team and throw usage out the window, but this is the mentality that we are dealing with here.

More money after a while is just more money.  You can only get so much.  I think that eventually we have to get to the point that this isn't a NBA Sim, but more an arcade sim with NBA players names being used.

I am becoming more of the opinion that PPG is equal to RBI in baseball.  Scoring is a byproduct of usage and efg% and the disparity of fg% and 3fg% along with number of possessions (which should be a byproduct of defense and rebounding).

Ash is right about some players especially Dream (and by being the foremost expert/fanboy of Olajuwon I am qualified to make this statement) being horribly under represented in the sim.  Dream is great if you can cover 10%-20% of his minutes because of the ridiculous foul trouble.  Of course "clutch factor" could help properly evaluate some players.
in part that's because blocks dont mean jack (or nearly) and havent since before I was even a member (dr evil pinky to mouth, arched eyebrow) of this site - essentially they're just distributed as an expression of misses in the box score and accorded a small factoring in the shot miss/make equation

but what do I know - Im a relative newbie
1/20/2011 10:05 PM
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Posted by ashamael on 1/20/2011 9:05:00 PM (view original):
It makes me mad because Hakeem was one of my favorite players ever... yet I won't use him in the sim except when handed him in ridiculous situations (like round 3 of the funk52 a couple of seasons ago... and I regretted using him).
dont you hate that - always one of my problems in drafts is what seems like low hanging fruit but you know better and just cant help yourself for sentimental reasons
1/20/2011 10:07 PM
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Posted by felonius on 1/20/2011 10:05:00 PM (view original):
Posted by malone9975 on 1/20/2011 8:51:00 PM (view original):
I am in a 200 Mil Cap League (yeah I know...I just wanted to play in something) where some moron drafted a starting lineup of Big O, Jordan, Bird,  Baylor, and Wilt.  He then complained and said that he was going to submit a ticket because there was no way that hie team could be as bad as it is.  I told him that you can't draft a team and throw usage out the window, but this is the mentality that we are dealing with here.

More money after a while is just more money.  You can only get so much.  I think that eventually we have to get to the point that this isn't a NBA Sim, but more an arcade sim with NBA players names being used.

I am becoming more of the opinion that PPG is equal to RBI in baseball.  Scoring is a byproduct of usage and efg% and the disparity of fg% and 3fg% along with number of possessions (which should be a byproduct of defense and rebounding).

Ash is right about some players especially Dream (and by being the foremost expert/fanboy of Olajuwon I am qualified to make this statement) being horribly under represented in the sim.  Dream is great if you can cover 10%-20% of his minutes because of the ridiculous foul trouble.  Of course "clutch factor" could help properly evaluate some players.
in part that's because blocks dont mean jack (or nearly) and havent since before I was even a member (dr evil pinky to mouth, arched eyebrow) of this site - essentially they're just distributed as an expression of misses in the box score and accorded a small factoring in the shot miss/make equation

but what do I know - Im a relative newbie

Blocks were kinda like that back when I was playing a long time ago.  I was just a factor of missing shots like you said.  I understand that you are a newbie but I think you have a better understanding of this than some random guy walking around with a banana

1/20/2011 10:10 PM
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let me put it in real life terms - having a guy like Hakeem or Russell or say Eaton manning the middle means turning lay-ups into jump shots - compute that somehow - even not blocked shots are impacted (and not just so called altered shots) and the whole approach of an offense changes and team morale changes on both sides of the ball etc - factor it in a little more significantly maybe? maybe a certain amount of blocks per minute on the floor equate to a +/++/+++ into the paint without the balancing penalty so you could set additional pluses to the perimeter in your coaching options?

I mean in real life having a shot blocker actually equates to tighter perimeter D right? means you can get up on your guy and feel confident you have someone behind you who will make his life difficult if he gets by you?

again what do I know - I read somewhere all these changes had something to do with making the sim more 'realistic' which is why 7 game series are basically crap shoots now because their statistical model wasnt loose enough or some such
1/20/2011 10:42 PM (edited)
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Posted by ashamael on 1/20/2011 8:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by longtallbrad on 1/20/2011 8:34:00 PM (view original):
ash, you're definitely describing the emerging $57 mil cookie - in fact, ncmusician has a team with that basic name and pretty close to that starting five (Przybilla at the 4). 

And not surprisingly, he's got the league's best record after 28 games.  I'm tied for 3rd, though, with the following core:

PG:  09 James / 04 Charlie Ward
SG:  03 McGrady / 08 J.R. Smith
SF: 92 Rodman
C/PF:  rotation of 71 Boerwinkle, 80 Nater, and 77 Walton

Not scoring a ton of points, but giving up fewer.

nc's the one who's using that with Wallace instead of Murphy.  He's also using 90 Rodman instead of 92 & 88 Jordan instead of 90.  He went 63-19.  The other two went 70-12 & 67-15.
He's talking about the other $57M team I have..........I think it'd be difficult to win a $57M league (if you can draft anyone and the league has very knowledgeable owners) without drafting Wilt or Lebron.
1/20/2011 10:21 PM
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Holy crap I might use a Jon Barry/JJRedick tandem instead of Michael Jordan - that is the f-ing nadir of sadness
1/20/2011 10:26 PM (edited)
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Posted by empdenied on 1/20/2011 8:07:00 PM (view original):
I won't list the players I have, just the eFG of the main rotation, ordered from highest usage to lowest: Although this is subject to change, given that I realized I can't fill the last 4 slots and stay under the cap. (that means back to the drawing board, NOT raising the cap.)

56.7
50.3
58.8
53.5
50.5
60.7
57.8
52.3

Very fun league idea. Can't wait to get started.
heres my main rotation efg%....

57.4
60.4
52.6
57.6
57.9
55.4
56.4


gonna be some offensive fireworks in this league....looovin it
1/20/2011 10:30 PM
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Posted by felonius on 1/20/2011 10:26:00 PM (view original):
Holy crap I might use a Jon Barry/JJRedick tandem instead of Michael Jordan - that is the f-ing nadir of sadness
blasphemy!


but i guess if you have team superman on the blocks its a good idea to get em the ball as much as you can
1/20/2011 10:38 PM
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Posted by badja on 1/20/2011 9:16:00 PM (view original):
Wasted usage=wasted salary.  Yes I know.  But given that we are in a restricted environment, your best option for something like rebounds JUST MIGHT be a guy with more usage than a Rodman for example.  (Gerald Wallace comes to mind).  Or, you may may be looking at a guy who gives you those boards, but only in  a full season, not just the partial season you need etc, etc.  I get your point.

Thanks for breaking the sim down for us, Ash.  You know there is a guy available that gives you that lineup right?  I would feel guilty using him now though!
"your best option for something like rebounds JUST MIGHT be a guy with more usage than a Rodman for example."

Your best option shouldn't be one that hurts your team.  I don't want some guy (who might not be bad, but isn't elite) taking possessions away from the guys I WANT to have the ball in their hands as much as possible.  Remember, it doesn't just take away shots from guys with lower usage - it takes them away from guys with higher usage, too.  Basically, if I've got a line-up with efg%s of 55, 56, 49, 60 and 58, but that 49 is 11% usage, that's cool.  But if that 49 is something like 18% or (god forbid) 23% usage, then no, he shouldn't be there.  And since usage plays so much in salary... you really shouldn't even run into that problem.  Again, it's hard to ignore names.
1/20/2011 11:55 PM
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Posted by ncmusician_7 on 1/20/2011 10:21:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ashamael on 1/20/2011 8:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by longtallbrad on 1/20/2011 8:34:00 PM (view original):
ash, you're definitely describing the emerging $57 mil cookie - in fact, ncmusician has a team with that basic name and pretty close to that starting five (Przybilla at the 4). 

And not surprisingly, he's got the league's best record after 28 games.  I'm tied for 3rd, though, with the following core:

PG:  09 James / 04 Charlie Ward
SG:  03 McGrady / 08 J.R. Smith
SF: 92 Rodman
C/PF:  rotation of 71 Boerwinkle, 80 Nater, and 77 Walton

Not scoring a ton of points, but giving up fewer.

nc's the one who's using that with Wallace instead of Murphy.  He's also using 90 Rodman instead of 92 & 88 Jordan instead of 90.  He went 63-19.  The other two went 70-12 & 67-15.
He's talking about the other $57M team I have..........I think it'd be difficult to win a $57M league (if you can draft anyone and the league has very knowledgeable owners) without drafting Wilt or Lebron.
Yeah, I know.  I was giving you credit for having another dominant team with a similar make-up.  I definitely agree... There's just no better option in that cap at center than Wilt (and 66-67 is hands down the best, especially since you have cap room to buy high usage elsewhere) and no better option at PG than Lebron.  Kidd comes to mind as a low-usage option, but he's such a damn bargain...
1/20/2011 11:59 PM
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"Yeah, I know.  I was giving you credit for having another dominant team with a similar make-up.  I definitely agree... There's just no better option in that cap at center than Wilt (and 66-67 is hands down the best, especially since you have cap room to buy high usage elsewhere) and no better option at PG than Lebron.  Kidd comes to mind as a low-usage option, but he's such a damn bargain..."

It MIGHT be possible (without using Wilt or Lebron) to beat the MJ, Lebron, Rodman, Wilt, etc team at $57M if clones are allowed.........
1/21/2011 12:09 AM (edited)
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