Posted by swamphawk22 on 6/21/2011 2:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/20/2011 7:23:00 PM (view original):
I can't even respond to your dumbassery.   I don't think you've left the house in years. 

Really...why not try to respond to me.

Because I don't think you read a word I posted.  

Posted by deathinahole on 6/20/2011 10:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 6/20/2011 10:46:00 AM (view original):
FWIW, I think the whole sex trade does create a slippery(hehehe) slope that bottoms out at prostitution.   Porn and strip clubs desensitize us to certain things.  They allow us to view women as meat designed for our pleasure.   Most of us stop short of actually using them as such.   Legalized prostitution would allow us to cross that line. 

Then it becomes a moral issue.

When you say "then it becomes a moral issue", I think I'm correct that you're not saying "morally right"
Ergo, morally wrong
Ergo, immoral.

Ergo, STFU.

Saying something becomes a moral issue doesn't mean it's immoral.    It's then up for discussion. 

I'll get back to you later today, to explain things a little better because you seem a little slow, when I get a chance.

But, so you can prepare yourself, I'm dying to hear how paying someone to allow you to use their body as your personal playground is moral.

I have my opinion there.

How we go from there to "therefore, no one should be able to do that" is different.

Roe vs Wade kinda sorta already went through that 40 years ago.

Ok, here you go.   Saying something "becomes a moral issue" doesn't mean it's immoral.  It's means it could be.

You, apparently, have moral issues with pornography, strip clubs and alcohol.    Which is fine.   Opinions, ********, you know the rest. 

As I said, I think pornography and strip clubs are part of a slipperly slope that leads to immoral choices.   Do I think porn is immoral?  Not so much.   Do I think strip clubs are immoral?   Not so much.   Again, as I said, they may stimulate you but you're left to handle your own business(at least from a legal sense).   Prostitution involves another living, breathing being.   Maybe that being is making bad choices.  Maybe it's just something they like to do and, hey, if you can get paid doing something you like, more power to you.  However, it's no longer a solo act.   Is it immoral?   Not sure.  But I think it's a few steps closer than porn/strip clubs.

At the end of the day, sex houses on the corner would make that choice much easier.  If the price was right, it's possible that they'd put porn and strip clubs out of business.   Our attitude towards prostitution would change.  Now, it's for losers that can't get a woman or can't be bothered to try.  Legalized prostitution would be something you do before, or after, you go drinking with the guys.   "Hey, death, wanna go watch some hookey, eh?   We'll stop by ***** R Us on the way and knock one out!" 

Porn stars and strippers are not living breathing humans.

Not what you meant, but it's what you said.

And, I never said my opinion on porn, strip clubs or alcohol.

Or abortion.

Or pot.

Or any matter which is tossed up for a moral debate.

What I will say, is that in a part of the world that is supposedly free, and where laws are generally meant to protect people from others rather than themselves, it seems ridiculous to argue for some rules that protect us from ourselves and not others.

That's all I'm saying.

Porn and strippers are not participation sports for the viewer.   You know that's where I'm drawing the line between "acceptable" and "problematic".  I've said it several times.

It is my opinion, also stated several times in several ways, that access to legal ***** for pay(or man on man buttsex for the gays) would destroy relationships as we know them.  Married men who'd never go to a street whore when the wife is being a pain in the *** would rationalize that it's OK because it's legal(the wife would probably disagree).   Single men who'd actually go thru the laborious rituals of getting laid(small talk, drinks, dating, begging, etc, etc.) would say "Screw that" and just visit the sex house.  Since most women need relationships for marriage, marriages would decline as only men interested in procreation would bother with all that nonsense.  Our view on the entire relationship process changes. 

http://chartsbin.com/view/snb

Map of legal status of prostitution

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-lowest-divorce-rate.html

Top 10 lowest divorce rate.

According to my count, 6 with legal prostitution, 4 without.

You might want to use fact instead of conjecture in your next argument.

We're talking about a cultural change not what's already acceptable.   Multiple wives are acceptable in some cultures.    How would your wife feel if you walked in and said "I'm going marry this woman.  But don't sweat it, I'm keeping you too!!!"?

I'm not going to lie.  You're making almost no sense.   You're trying to take what's acceptable in one place(and has been for an unspecified amount of time) and apply it to another place.   The world doesn't work that way.   You can chop off a man's hand for stealing in some countries.   If you rough him up for rape in America, he'll sue the police department.    Again, we're talking about a change in culture.

In some countries, it's ok to have separate water fountains, washrroms and restraurants based on race.

In some countries, abortion is illegal

In some countries, it's ok to have slaves.

Some countries change their culture, because their people said it's no longer acceptable.

Slightly different situation.  We're talking about legalizing something that is currently "UNACCEPTABLE".  Therefore, there is an ingrained bias against it. 

Do you understand the difference?   

I'm refusing to believe that you're stupid.   I'm forced to believe that you're just arguing to be arguing at this point.   Please do your best to not force me to change my mind.

Really; this is a case of you considering anyone that doesn't toe your line as being stupid. You do that every now and then.

Your ignorance is amusing, and makes the more civilized parts of the world laugh.