Let's kick this bum ash out - how dare he have weekend plans? ;)

In terms of recent picks - I was interested to see where AD and Giannis would go. Speaking to ash's point, I think it's a big gamble in a league like this to have your first round pick fill so few minutes. But at some point those minutes are so good that it becomes worth it, and I think late first is a reasonable spot for them to go (I had them a few spots later on my board). We'll see if the owners who took them choose to pair them with lower-upside guys with a lot more minutes in the second round.

Posted by dBKC on 5/23/2020 11:34:00 AM (view original):
This is where the excitement begins. Ash and Ben pick twice each in the next 4 picks and I’m interested in seeing what they both do.

the word I would use is 'terrified', as in: I am terrified to see what they both do

Talk to me about the Worm. Did anyone else consider him worthy of a first round pick?

absolutely - lots of useful seasons esp. his 99%+ SF stuff

Posted by longtallbrad on 5/23/2020 2:46:00 PM (view original):
Talk to me about the Worm. Did anyone else consider him worthy of a first round pick?

He only has 2-3 seasons I would be stoked to use just because once you play him at PF in a capless league I think his value is extremely muted. So personally, I did not.

Posted by longtallbrad on 5/23/2020 2:46:00 PM (view original):
Talk to me about the Worm. Did anyone else consider him worthy of a first round pick?

I think so - he was probably between 22-28 on my board. 2nd on my list of low-usage rebounders behind Deandre. We all know about the monster early 90s seasons, but the late 80s seasons are very good too. The risks are (1) low-ish minutes and (2) the opportunity cost of spending a very high pick on a very low-usage player while all the quality high-usage players are being picked. We'll see how you address that with your second pick.

He would have been the perfect fit next to Durant for me - but I knew there was no chance of him making it all the way back to my pick in the 2nd.

Posted by longtallbrad on 5/23/2020 2:46:00 PM (view original):
Talk to me about the Worm. Did anyone else consider him worthy of a first round pick?

I think one concern with him is that his best seasons are split between sf and pf. But of course you could just play all 5 at pf and he actually has enough good seasons to probably play all 5 at sf too.

I personally had him ranked low 1st/early 2nd just because I liked some of the higher usg options first

I'll be very curious to see where in the draft owners begin taking players with fewer than five useful seasons.

Posted by robusk on 5/23/2020 2:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by longtallbrad on 5/23/2020 2:46:00 PM (view original):
Talk to me about the Worm. Did anyone else consider him worthy of a first round pick?

He only has 2-3 seasons I would be stoked to use just because once you play him at PF in a capless league I think his value is extremely muted. So personally, I did not.

I see this logic but don't entirely agree. There are 8 100% PF seasons in the database with 14% orb and 90 defense - one for Moses, one for Deandre, and six for Rodman. And that doesn't even include Rodman's bonkers 1500-minute season, which would probably be the 5th season I'd use, or his 80-defense 93-94 season with 17%/31% rebounding. And most of those seasons come with very good efg% too, albeit with tiny usage. I think the total package provides a unique rebounding advantage, even at PF, and gives you a ton of flexibility for filling out your frontcourt.

Posted by longtallbrad on 5/23/2020 2:58:00 PM (view original):
I'll be very curious to see where in the draft owners begin taking players with fewer than five useful seasons.

We already saw one of those guys go - Giannis. That 14-15 season is extremely average.

I used to be high on 91-92 Rodman, but I've soured on him recently. He puts you in a hole on passing, scoring, usage and 3s. I had him on two draft league teams at once and I ended up having to use horrible rebounding bigs in order to make up for his deficencies. In reality, 93-94 is probably good enough unless you have two versatile bigs.

As stated, I'm here largely for the feedback - any thoughts on Pippen pick in this format?

Posted by goetz93 on 5/23/2020 3:04:00 PM (view original):
As stated, I'm here largely for the feedback - any thoughts on Pippen pick in this format?

Pippen was a rock solid pick. That’s right in the range where I had him ranked. He’s got 5 good seasons that give you a solid 2/3 scoring option, great defense, and an early advantage on boards and dimes as long as you play him at sg

I almost always use my first round pick to try to get a high usage high efg% scorer because they go so quick and I don't want to get saddled with lower efg% scoring later. Rodman brings more possessions, but it's still harder to win without efficient scoring so what he brings to the table isn't the top priority in the first round. There's also more good low usage players in later rounds who can fill the hustle board, maybe not as good as Rodman,... but at least more of those types of players than there are efficient scorers. I would have taken AD over Rodman. That being said, doesn't Rodman always seem to be a first round pick in draft leagues?

Posted by tarheel1991 on 5/23/2020 2:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 5/23/2020 2:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by longtallbrad on 5/23/2020 2:46:00 PM (view original):
Talk to me about the Worm. Did anyone else consider him worthy of a first round pick?

He only has 2-3 seasons I would be stoked to use just because once you play him at PF in a capless league I think his value is extremely muted. So personally, I did not.

I see this logic but don't entirely agree. There are 8 100% PF seasons in the database with 14% orb and 90 defense - one for Moses, one for Deandre, and six for Rodman. And that doesn't even include Rodman's bonkers 1500-minute season, which would probably be the 5th season I'd use, or his 80-defense 93-94 season with 17%/31% rebounding. And most of those seasons come with very good efg% too, albeit with tiny usage. I think the total package provides a unique rebounding advantage, even at PF, and gives you a ton of flexibility for filling out your frontcourt.

Nothing you stated is false. But nothing you stated is enough for me personally to consider him in the first round. I have pages of thoughts recorded in ODL evals about my Rodman thoughts, so I won’t regurgitate them. He’s a useful player but not one I place a premium on in this format.

But every owner is different. Tau1624 just had a very nice season with both Harden and Rodman in ODL. So my personal feelings aren’t the gospel.