Posted by Jetson21 on 9/13/2021 8:50:00 PM (view original):
I hope to God I never get so mentally crazy that I get obsessed about some fantasy sports guy.

when I post I am about the subject.
I don’t give a rats *** about anyone in these non sports forums. We don’t know each other and I don’t care what your opinions are really.

I post articulate bites and if no one ever responds I’m fine with that. So far only a few people act like normal human beings.

I will admit that this has a lot of Dino smell to it. This sounds almost verbatim like something he would have posted. Haha. Jetson, start your own topic about something for me. I want to run a little experiment.

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/13/2021 8:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jetson21 on 9/13/2021 8:22:00 PM (view original):
Then any policy about anything under the sun could be racist. If the comment above is not in jest how could Biden paint himself into a corner with an emergency mandate.

I hope it is known that children throughout southern states are mandated yes mandated to get vaccines like rubella and polio and chicken ox and smallpox and measles and others in order to go to school.

Now we need a new mandate.
If today was pre World War 2 I don’t think even Pearl
Harbor would mobilize a United country.

You will have to email Ibram X Kendi about that. It's his philosophy, not mine.

Also, those are state mandates. State's have that right. The federal government does not.

Yes it does. The Supreme Court and lower courts have ruled on this. It started with Justice Marshall and after George Washington also mandated vaccines during the Revolutionary War. After Justice Marshall there have been more cases.
Thank you for being civil.

You brought up the Ibram policy and you certainly used it in an affirming way.

Posted by tangplay on 9/13/2021 8:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jetson21 on 9/13/2021 8:11:00 PM (view original):
But I will say this that I do not want to be harassed by this bullshit and I’m making myself clear about that.
I am not here to make fake friends. I have plenty of real life friends.
I will state my opinions from time to time and not be involved in fantasy friend nonsense.

So please stop with your obsession over Dino27 and let that pipe dream go.

If you joined September 1st, how the **** do you know that dino's full username is Dino27? Even I don't know that off the top of my head.

Because I looked into who he is with old posts.
After being called Dino so many times I thought I should see what the hoopla is.
Okay Mr Holmes?

Unless I'm missing a ruling somewhere, the courts have not ruled on a nationwide vaccine mandate.

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/13/2021 8:16:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bruceleefan on 9/9/2021 9:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 9/9/2021 3:24:00 PM (view original):
Washington STATE doesn't control LOCAL police budgets.

Firing employees who are unvaccinated will improve the general quality of teachers, police, and doctors (especially).

Could you please elaborate on your second point?

Those who would refuse a vaccinate mandate are far more likely to be stupid and/or incompetent, especially unvaccinated people who are DOCTORS AND TEACHERS. Firing these employees and hopefully replacing them with vaccinated individuals would increase the average quality of those fields.

I don't want teachers, doctors, and police who lack basic critical thinking skills or who are locked in a misinformation bubble. Firing those who are (and offering an incentive to change those behaviors) would be a positive action.

That’s quite a racist take, tang. Would have thought better of you.

Point taken. Funny joke. Don't care. While it is true that many aspects of the medical system are biased against black people, choosing not to get vaccinated because of Tuskegee or some **** is really dumb.

As far as I understand, a higher percentage of nonwhite people are unvaccinated because they think they wouldn't be given access, not necessarily because they're just anti-vax in general. Still, that's a pretty weak excuse.

Does create quite the predicament for Ibram Kendi philosophy (which millions of people subscribe to). A lot of his argument is that any policy that creates a disparate outcome is racist. Biden's unconstitutional mandate creates a disparate outcome. He has backed himself into quite the corner.

You are correct that much of critical theory is pointing out that many "colorblind" policies have racist outcomes. However, I'm not aware that Ibram X Kendi would call those policies or the supporters of those policies "racist." In this case, a critical analysis would come to the conclusion that one of the primary reasons black people are more likely to be unvaccinated is because of the history of medical racism in this country (even though IMO that's a bad reason to be unvaccinated). If this were a problem that could be fixed in the long term, that history would probably need to be addressed (I.E. vaccine hesitancy wouldn't be handled in a color-blind manner). Unfortunately, we don't have that time.

Not sure who's backed who into a corner here. Kendi would likely call Biden a racist, and Biden probably doesn't read much of Ibram Kendi's work.

Yes - Justice Marshall in the early days did.
That is what I believe. I could be wrong.
I will do some due diligence and look it up and get back to you tomorrow.

Clearly Biden does not read his work. The funniest parts of the presidential debates were when the two candidates were asked about CRT by Chris Wallace. Neither had a clue. They probably thought Derek Bell was a former OF for the Houston Astros.

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/13/2021 8:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 9/13/2021 12:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bruceleefan on 9/12/2021 11:52:00 PM (view original):
There is a pretty good amount of evidence that covid survivors have strong immunity against the virus.

Some studies even suggest their natural immunity is stronger than that gained from the vaccines.

That's not true, but even if it was, what would we take from this?

That we should all intentionally get the virus and risk death or long term effects instead of simply taking the easy and free vaccine?

This most certainly is true. There are quite a few reliable studies that have shown this. I take from it that it is pointless for someone who has recently recovered from covid to get the vaccine while they have the antibodies.

Adults should definitely get vaccinated if they have not already had Covid. The "protect the kids" stuff is garbage however. Kids are at virtually no risk from covid. Less than 400 kids have died from Covid since it began in the US out of population of about 70 million. As far as I understand, all of them had a pre-existing condition. That is right in line with the flu in a normal year. We don't freak out about protecting children from the flu. Also, the evidence is very scanty that children are major vector's of transmission under about the age of 12. It would actually benefit the country and the children, especially from a mental health standpoint, to let them live their lives as normal.

Your conclusion would go against the litany of medical research arguing that even if you have had COVID, you should absolutely get the vaccine. Even the one study I could find in favor of your argument still concludes that vaccines are necessary.

One thing you're missing out on re kids is that even if you don't die, you could still have long term health effects (that we don't totally understand yet). My sister got COVID (long COVID) back in December and hasn't been able to walk since. She's also on oxygen because she has trouble breathing now. She's not dead, but her life has crashed to a halt. Point being; even if you don't die, you're rolling the dice on long term consequences.

Also, disparate outcomes aren't necessarily evidence of racism or any ism for that matter. Every law enacted is going to have a disparate outcome for some group depending on what you separate the groups into.

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/13/2021 8:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 9/13/2021 3:22:00 PM (view original):
But let's say you are right. Maybe natural immunity does protect better than the vaccine. My question to you is why even bring it up? Why did you think it would be relevant? What policy prescriptions would you offer based on that?

Because even the Israeli study showed that vaccinations are still beneficial to those who already had COVID. Experts are unanimous on that issue.

YOU decided to bring the argument up. Would love to see you justify it.

Policy prescriptions? Covid should be over from a public policy standpoint. As i've always said, the governments role is to protect people from other people, not from themselves. Vaccinated people are at virtually no risk from the unvaccinated. If someone is dumb enough not to get vaccinated, that is on them. The government's role in the pandemic should be over.

Biden said in his speech the other night promoting his unconstitutional mandates that if you're vaccinated, you are safe and then went on to say that we have to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated. Which is it? Does the vaccine work or not? For politicians, Covid has become an opportunity to seize more power. That in itself may prove to be much more dangerous than Covid over the long haul.

Man, I'm disappointed in this analysis. You can do better.

The spread of the virus is still bad for unvaccinated people, for a variety of reasons.

1. It is still possible that vaccinated individuals get COVID and have serious effects, even if it is far less likely.
2. The more COVID spreads, the more likely it is that variants are created that might bypass the vaccine's effectiveness.
3. The more COVID spreads, the less likely it is that we as a society can return to normal. I'd personally like to be done with this virus, and the more people that get vaccinated the more safe "back to normal" will be.
4. Unvaccinated people dying is bad too. I would prefer less death, if it is at all possible, not just on a moral level, but also from a societal one. The more people that die, the worse it is for the general health of a society, economy, etc.

I'm probably missing something, but those are a few obvious reasons why unvaccinated people are a danger to everyone, not just themselves. We obviously disagree on what the government should be used for. I personally believe that the government should strive to protect my freedom to live in a world that isn't ridden with plague.

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/13/2021 8:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 9/13/2021 5:12:00 PM (view original):
Dino gets banned (presumably).

You arrive here less than a month ago, and immediately begin posting in the forums, while sounding an awful lot like dino

Why did Dino get banned?

It's in the pinned comment on the non-sports forum.

Excessive redlining that caused a problem for the admins, basically.

You are rolling the dice with anything you do in life. The evidence that children have any long term effects from Covid is sparse. It appears that it's very rare. I'm sorry your sister is struggling. Based on your age, I'm guessing she's probably somewhere between 24-32. Assuming that I guessed her age range correctly and that she was healthy prior to contracting Covid, the chance that she would have had that serious of a long term effect from it were seriously low as well. Everything we do in life carries risk. With children, we know as a fact that the pandemic policies have taken more of a toll on their mental health than the actual virus has taken on their physical health.

***I hope your sister recovers soon. I will be praying for her.

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/13/2021 9:00:00 PM (view original):
Clearly Biden does not read his work. The funniest parts of the presidential debates were when the two candidates were asked about CRT by Chris Wallace. Neither had a clue. They probably thought Derek Bell was a former OF for the Houston Astros.

That's not surprising. No one knew what CRT was (despite it existing as a sociological framework for decades now) until certain thought leaders on the right decided to use it as their new boogeyman. That's not conspiratorial on my part, there's actual tweets where the guy that started this new frenzy admitted that it was all just a ploy to get people mad.

You just listed a bunch of reasons why unvaccinated people are a danger to themselves, not to everyone else. If you are vaccinated, you should be back normal. You are safe. If you're not back to normal, that's your choice.

Posted by strikeout26 on 9/13/2021 9:03:00 PM (view original):
Also, disparate outcomes aren't necessarily evidence of racism or any ism for that matter. Every law enacted is going to have a disparate outcome for some group depending on what you separate the groups into.

Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. Usually, when you get down to the root cause of the disparities, some form of oppression is to blame (as long as you assume that there are no inherent differences between races, I.E. black ppl being less intelligent or something).