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Posted by cccp1014 on 2/15/2019 10:39:00 AM (view original):

1. I am 100% for it.
2. It should be 100% clear that the person is guilty -- example Parkland shooting
3. Should be done quickly. None of this years of appeal.

Those who say it is wrong = subjective. Those who say it costs too much = fix it so it does not. I don't see how you can be anti death penalty but pro choice? It makes you a hypocrite IMO. I am pro choice for the reasons we discussed. But I am also 100% pro death penatly in certain situations.

Now I have to address this: "Too much risk of an innocent death". That is true in war as well so should we NEVER ever go to war? Of course not. Sometimes there are consquences.

so, someone who is pro life and pro death penalty (like a large number of conservatives) isn't being hypocritical? After all, all life is sacred, right?

I honestly haven't formed a solid opinion yet on the death penalty, but you can be pro-life and pro-death penalty without being hypocritical. The unborn baby is an innocent life. The convicted killer isn't so innocent (assuming he's not falsely convicted).

I'm not really arguing in favor or against the death penalty. I do think there are crimes (such as rape and murder) that should get the death penalty under certain circumstances. I was just pointing out that in my opinion it is just as hypocritical to be pro life and pro death penalty as it is to be pro choice and against the death penalty. Either all life is sacred, or it isn't. You can't have it both ways. What you are saying is some life is sacred, not all life. Who gets to decide?

Your point is a rational one and i'm not saying that I disagree. I actually do believe all life is sacred. I am more of playing "devil's advocate." Do you understand my point that it is rational argument to distinguish between innocent life and those are have committed violent crimes? (I guess you could categorize this as non-innocent life.)

Posted by laramiebob on 2/15/2019 2:45:00 PM (view original):
Here's the deal on execution. It depends on which side of the equation you're on. It's never very good to be on the wrong end of the noose......... so to speak.

I'm clearly bi-polar on this one. Harm my family, rape my chillun, etc and I'm pro execution--------personally done execution!! No state needed!

On any intellectual level in which I examine it logically and morally I clearly find it a horrid evil. Government performed executions (given their long time Global history of application!) is clearly state sponsored terrorism! I can't support such an abomination.

Yet, F with mine and..................

Yet, 1 execution performed on an innocent human (and there have been so so many over history) is the worst act any society can do!

Yet Ted Bundy clearly needed terminated.
Personally, I think some type of slow castration, followed by several years of imprisonment, then some sort of public tar and feather job, all braodcast free to adults on the internet, of course.

Dino may have the best concept here actually! Salud my liberal do gooder crazy person.

Despite my friend's completely irrational view of the fetus, I couldn't agree more with this post.

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Posted by RCBracco on 2/15/2019 12:03:00 PM (view original):
Executions should be held in a public area and attended by all. They should be used only to "cull the herd" and remove people that our beloved President finds offensive.. Federal lottery should be established and the winner gets to pull the switch.

Yup. Caligula again! Smart sheep the right wingers! LMAO!

You know I was smirking when I wrote this?

Yup. Sarcasm 201 I figured.

Posted by laramiebob on 2/15/2019 2:49:00 PM (view original):
This probably ain't the place for this so call it a suggestion for the future Coach??

Have you all heard? Mueller is gonna end up turning a profit on his investigation. From seized Manafort assets alone!! Just wait until he gets the goods (and his hands) on the Don's! Gonna be a real shitstorm then!

Good topic for tomorrow. I had another one in mind, but we will save mine and go with yours. Mueller investigation wins the day.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/15/2019 2:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 2/15/2019 2:30:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2019 1:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/15/2019 10:39:00 AM (view original):

1. I am 100% for it.
2. It should be 100% clear that the person is guilty -- example Parkland shooting
3. Should be done quickly. None of this years of appeal.

Those who say it is wrong = subjective. Those who say it costs too much = fix it so it does not. I don't see how you can be anti death penalty but pro choice? It makes you a hypocrite IMO. I am pro choice for the reasons we discussed. But I am also 100% pro death penatly in certain situations.

Now I have to address this: "Too much risk of an innocent death". That is true in war as well so should we NEVER ever go to war? Of course not. Sometimes there are consquences.

so, someone who is pro life and pro death penalty (like a large number of conservatives) isn't being hypocritical? After all, all life is sacred, right?

I honestly haven't formed a solid opinion yet on the death penalty, but you can be pro-life and pro-death penalty without being hypocritical. The unborn baby is an innocent life. The convicted killer isn't so innocent (assuming he's not falsely convicted).

There is no such thing as an "unborn baby". A baby isn't a baby until it is delivered or takes breath.
That term is right wing propoganda!

This is bullshit, Bob. If you have a heartbeat, a brain, limbs, and all other organs you are a human being. If you are under a certain age, you are a baby. If you have yet to be born from the womb, you are an unborn baby. There no logical argument to the contrary. Use some common sense. My goodness!

I vehemently disagree Coach. The right wing has been inventing "charged" terms like this forever in an attempt to sway opinions.

The FACT is. There is an egg, then a fertilized egg (there's a term for it I forget), then an embryo which implants in the wall of the WOMAN's uterus.
At that point it becomes a Fetus, which (essentially) parasites off the Mother's body until at SOME point it reaches viability and becomes a human in development awaiting it's moment of birth, AT WHICH TIME it becomes a Baby, an Infant human being. Later it becomes an innocent CHILD. Calling it an innocent child while in the womb is just attempting to bias fair rational debate.

Banning abortion would eliminate a prospective parents "RIGHT" to use In Vitro Fertilization procedures to obtain Pregnancy! To HAVE and LOVE babies!
Why would you deny them that right because (maybe?) a few women abuse the right to abortion by using it without regard for life's sanctity?

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/15/2019 2:59:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2019 1:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/15/2019 10:39:00 AM (view original):

1. I am 100% for it.
2. It should be 100% clear that the person is guilty -- example Parkland shooting
3. Should be done quickly. None of this years of appeal.

Those who say it is wrong = subjective. Those who say it costs too much = fix it so it does not. I don't see how you can be anti death penalty but pro choice? It makes you a hypocrite IMO. I am pro choice for the reasons we discussed. But I am also 100% pro death penatly in certain situations.

Now I have to address this: "Too much risk of an innocent death". That is true in war as well so should we NEVER ever go to war? Of course not. Sometimes there are consquences.

so, someone who is pro life and pro death penalty (like a large number of conservatives) isn't being hypocritical? After all, all life is sacred, right?

I honestly haven't formed a solid opinion yet on the death penalty, but you can be pro-life and pro-death penalty without being hypocritical. The unborn baby is an innocent life. The convicted killer isn't so innocent (assuming he's not falsely convicted).

There is no such thing as an "unborn baby". A baby isn't a baby until it is delivered or takes breath.
That term is right wing propoganda!

This is bullshit, Bob. If you have a heartbeat, a brain, limbs, and all other organs you are a human being. If you are under a certain age, you are a baby. If you have yet to be born from the womb, you are an unborn baby. There no logical argument to the contrary. Use some common sense. My goodness!

Babies only exist outside the womb. Inside the womb, they are fetuses.

Off topic, NFL totally busted for collusion against Kaepernick, reached an eight figure settlement with him today.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/15/2019 2:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2019 1:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/15/2019 10:39:00 AM (view original):

1. I am 100% for it.
2. It should be 100% clear that the person is guilty -- example Parkland shooting
3. Should be done quickly. None of this years of appeal.

Those who say it is wrong = subjective. Those who say it costs too much = fix it so it does not. I don't see how you can be anti death penalty but pro choice? It makes you a hypocrite IMO. I am pro choice for the reasons we discussed. But I am also 100% pro death penatly in certain situations.

Now I have to address this: "Too much risk of an innocent death". That is true in war as well so should we NEVER ever go to war? Of course not. Sometimes there are consquences.

so, someone who is pro life and pro death penalty (like a large number of conservatives) isn't being hypocritical? After all, all life is sacred, right?

I honestly haven't formed a solid opinion yet on the death penalty, but you can be pro-life and pro-death penalty without being hypocritical. The unborn baby is an innocent life. The convicted killer isn't so innocent (assuming he's not falsely convicted).

That's a big assumption.

I'm not going down the abortion road right now. Y'all have your opinions. I'll keep mine.

Posted by tangplay on 2/15/2019 3:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/15/2019 2:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2019 1:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/15/2019 10:39:00 AM (view original):

1. I am 100% for it.
2. It should be 100% clear that the person is guilty -- example Parkland shooting
3. Should be done quickly. None of this years of appeal.

Those who say it is wrong = subjective. Those who say it costs too much = fix it so it does not. I don't see how you can be anti death penalty but pro choice? It makes you a hypocrite IMO. I am pro choice for the reasons we discussed. But I am also 100% pro death penatly in certain situations.

Now I have to address this: "Too much risk of an innocent death". That is true in war as well so should we NEVER ever go to war? Of course not. Sometimes there are consquences.

so, someone who is pro life and pro death penalty (like a large number of conservatives) isn't being hypocritical? After all, all life is sacred, right?

I honestly haven't formed a solid opinion yet on the death penalty, but you can be pro-life and pro-death penalty without being hypocritical. The unborn baby is an innocent life. The convicted killer isn't so innocent (assuming he's not falsely convicted).

That's a big assumption.

Which part? The last segment?

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/15/2019 2:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 2/15/2019 2:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/15/2019 2:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2019 1:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/15/2019 10:39:00 AM (view original):

1. I am 100% for it.
2. It should be 100% clear that the person is guilty -- example Parkland shooting
3. Should be done quickly. None of this years of appeal.

Those who say it is wrong = subjective. Those who say it costs too much = fix it so it does not. I don't see how you can be anti death penalty but pro choice? It makes you a hypocrite IMO. I am pro choice for the reasons we discussed. But I am also 100% pro death penatly in certain situations.

Now I have to address this: "Too much risk of an innocent death". That is true in war as well so should we NEVER ever go to war? Of course not. Sometimes there are consquences.

so, someone who is pro life and pro death penalty (like a large number of conservatives) isn't being hypocritical? After all, all life is sacred, right?

I honestly haven't formed a solid opinion yet on the death penalty, but you can be pro-life and pro-death penalty without being hypocritical. The unborn baby is an innocent life. The convicted killer isn't so innocent (assuming he's not falsely convicted).

There is no such thing as an "unborn baby". A baby isn't a baby until it is delivered or takes breath.
That term is right wing propoganda!

This is bullshit, Bob. If you have a heartbeat, a brain, limbs, and all other organs you are a human being. If you are under a certain age, you are a baby. If you have yet to be born from the womb, you are an unborn baby. There no logical argument to the contrary. Use some common sense. My goodness!

no one has yet proved when a fetus is a sentinent being (not sure how you could prove it). You may feel differently, and you are certainly entitled to your view. I'm not even saying I disagree with you, but there is no proof of what you say.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/15/2019 3:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2019 2:37:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by wylie715 on 2/15/2019 1:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/15/2019 10:39:00 AM (view original):

1. I am 100% for it.
2. It should be 100% clear that the person is guilty -- example Parkland shooting
3. Should be done quickly. None of this years of appeal.

Those who say it is wrong = subjective. Those who say it costs too much = fix it so it does not. I don't see how you can be anti death penalty but pro choice? It makes you a hypocrite IMO. I am pro choice for the reasons we discussed. But I am also 100% pro death penatly in certain situations.

Now I have to address this: "Too much risk of an innocent death". That is true in war as well so should we NEVER ever go to war? Of course not. Sometimes there are consquences.

so, someone who is pro life and pro death penalty (like a large number of conservatives) isn't being hypocritical? After all, all life is sacred, right?

I honestly haven't formed a solid opinion yet on the death penalty, but you can be pro-life and pro-death penalty without being hypocritical. The unborn baby is an innocent life. The convicted killer isn't so innocent (assuming he's not falsely convicted).

I'm not really arguing in favor or against the death penalty. I do think there are crimes (such as rape and murder) that should get the death penalty under certain circumstances. I was just pointing out that in my opinion it is just as hypocritical to be pro life and pro death penalty as it is to be pro choice and against the death penalty. Either all life is sacred, or it isn't. You can't have it both ways. What you are saying is some life is sacred, not all life. Who gets to decide?

Your point is a rational one and i'm not saying that I disagree. I actually do believe all life is sacred. I am more of playing "devil's advocate." Do you understand my point that it is rational argument to distinguish between innocent life and those are have committed violent crimes? (I guess you could categorize this as non-innocent life.)

Oh, I definitely see the difference between an innocent life and a not innocent life. But it doesn't fit with the "all life is sacred" view. Either all life is sacred or not all life is sacred. Maybe you should say all innocent life is sacred? But that brings up the question again...who gets to decide?

I disagree, Wylie. Biology tells us that it is a human being. It has brain activity, a functioning heart, limbs, and all other organs. That is a human being. There has not been one rational argument to dispute this.The only thing i've gotten from the other is side a bunch of name-calling and told that calling someone with all of these features a "human" is inflammatory. I'd love to hear some science that says otherwise.

at what point does it have these features.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 2/14/2019 7:45:00 PM (view original):
Wait, you think exercise makes you fat? Exercise is good for you, you know that right? Exercise also doesn’t impair your judgement so you don’t end up eating three whoppers. Pot impacts your judgement. You know that, right? So there should be a warning that pot may impair your judgment and cause you to gain weight as a possible side effect. That would be helpful. You know that right?

Exercise, like weed, can make you hungry. If you get hungry you might eat more than you need and get fat. Same logic as your warning for weed.

No. Because your brain is not impaired. LOL.

So if you're so impaired, what good is a warning label?

You read it before you smoke and become impaired. LOL. Are you taking a double dose of stupid pills today.