I was in and out of the hospital last week...somewhat better now.

As far as the 2nd Amendment is concerned, there is a clear distinction (although it is completely lost on both the general public and legislators these days) between guns and arms. I am all for not only gun control but gun bans. When it comes to arms control, I side with Charlton Heston.

Posted by wylie715 on 2/18/2019 6:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 2/18/2019 2:20:00 PM (view original):
i think the american public has finally turned the corner and sanity has finally started to settle in.
now it is in the hands of the GOP senators.

what American public are you looking at?

you are right..i looked up the oct. 2018 gallup poll on assault weapon ban......not good.

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/18/2019 9:28:00 PM (view original):
I was in and out of the hospital last week...somewhat better now.

As far as the 2nd Amendment is concerned, there is a clear distinction (although it is completely lost on both the general public and legislators these days) between guns and arms. I am all for not only gun control but gun bans. When it comes to arms control, I side with Charlton Heston.

i hope you are getting better.

Posted by tangplay on 2/18/2019 6:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/18/2019 5:21:00 PM (view original):
You're pro life? Since when?

I'm a moderate.

So are you or are you not pro life? LOL. Talking out of both sides of your mouth again

Posted by dino27 on 2/18/2019 9:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/18/2019 9:28:00 PM (view original):
I was in and out of the hospital last week...somewhat better now.

As far as the 2nd Amendment is concerned, there is a clear distinction (although it is completely lost on both the general public and legislators these days) between guns and arms. I am all for not only gun control but gun bans. When it comes to arms control, I side with Charlton Heston.

i hope you are getting better.

kinda. Good enough to be home now. I apreciate it, bro.

I went to high school with a girl named Eggelation and another with the name Lipschitz. Eggelation was a cow but Lipschitz was rather hot, if you could get past the name.

It's amazing how many people don't have a clue what the 2nd amendment is about from both sides of the aisle. I don't understand why there is so much debate around it. Our founders made it pretty clear what they meant by the 2nd amendment. It is in place to defend us from a tyrannical government. As i've reminded Tang, we take our freedoms for granted. Very few countries in our world's history have not turned tyrannical at some point. It is not inconceivable that America could follow the same path one day.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/18/2019 9:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/18/2019 6:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/18/2019 5:21:00 PM (view original):
You're pro life? Since when?

I'm a moderate.

So are you or are you not pro life? LOL. Talking out of both sides of your mouth again

I am against abortion, I only agree with it in special circumstances.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/18/2019 9:46:00 PM (view original):
It's amazing how many people don't have a clue what the 2nd amendment is about from both sides of the aisle. I don't understand why there is so much debate around it. Our founders made it pretty clear what they meant by the 2nd amendment. It is in place to defend us from a tyrannical government. As i've reminded Tang, we take our freedoms for granted. Very few countries in our world's history have not turned tyrannical at some point. It is not inconceivable that America could follow the same path one day.

With most things regarding the Constitution, they use 21st Century definitions, morality and ethics on a document written in the late 18th Century. The wording is very precise and the meaning is very clear if you interpret it using contemporary context. Even they understood that attitudes would change over time. That's why God created amendments.

I'm an originalist. Interpret it based on what the author's said. Don't try to twist it to "make it fit." As you said, that's why we have an amendment process.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/18/2019 9:46:00 PM (view original):
It's amazing how many people don't have a clue what the 2nd amendment is about from both sides of the aisle. I don't understand why there is so much debate around it. Our founders made it pretty clear what they meant by the 2nd amendment. It is in place to defend us from a tyrannical government. As i've reminded Tang, we take our freedoms for granted. Very few countries in our world's history have not turned tyrannical at some point. It is not inconceivable that America could follow the same path one day.

so its not for defense of the citizen against other citizens, its for defense of the citizen against the government

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/18/2019 9:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/18/2019 9:46:00 PM (view original):
It's amazing how many people don't have a clue what the 2nd amendment is about from both sides of the aisle. I don't understand why there is so much debate around it. Our founders made it pretty clear what they meant by the 2nd amendment. It is in place to defend us from a tyrannical government. As i've reminded Tang, we take our freedoms for granted. Very few countries in our world's history have not turned tyrannical at some point. It is not inconceivable that America could follow the same path one day.

With most things regarding the Constitution, they use 21st Century definitions, morality and ethics on a document written in the late 18th Century. The wording is very precise and the meaning is very clear if you interpret it using contemporary context. Even they understood that attitudes would change over time. That's why God created amendments.

we observe major technological advancements every day.....we now imagine the unimaginable and then watch it happen.
in the days of the convention change was very slow........they did not and could not anticipate the issues that would develop over wording meant for a context now ancient history.....in some situations we have to look at the theme and sentiment but not literal wording ....that is why interpretation in accordance with modern life must be made sometimes.......the words are words of men...not infallible........some things require amendments but if congress refuses to act then courts must do right by society and make proper interpretations....sometimes the Court is forced to legislate when congress has abdicated their responsibility.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/18/2019 9:32:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/18/2019 6:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/18/2019 5:21:00 PM (view original):
You're pro life? Since when?

I'm a moderate.

So are you or are you not pro life? LOL. Talking out of both sides of your mouth again

You LOL'd That? Ok. Odd. Not really an lol moment.

Posted by bagchucker on 2/18/2019 10:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/18/2019 9:46:00 PM (view original):
It's amazing how many people don't have a clue what the 2nd amendment is about from both sides of the aisle. I don't understand why there is so much debate around it. Our founders made it pretty clear what they meant by the 2nd amendment. It is in place to defend us from a tyrannical government. As i've reminded Tang, we take our freedoms for granted. Very few countries in our world's history have not turned tyrannical at some point. It is not inconceivable that America could follow the same path one day.

so its not for defense of the citizen against other citizens, its for defense of the citizen against the government

Damn right, and lord knows me and Gene, my 75 year old neighbor, with his two .45 and my nothing could stand up to the government and their <checks notes> Army.

Oh, its a completely dated amendment. Duh.

Posted by dino27 on 2/19/2019 12:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gomiami1972 on 2/18/2019 9:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/18/2019 9:46:00 PM (view original):
It's amazing how many people don't have a clue what the 2nd amendment is about from both sides of the aisle. I don't understand why there is so much debate around it. Our founders made it pretty clear what they meant by the 2nd amendment. It is in place to defend us from a tyrannical government. As i've reminded Tang, we take our freedoms for granted. Very few countries in our world's history have not turned tyrannical at some point. It is not inconceivable that America could follow the same path one day.

With most things regarding the Constitution, they use 21st Century definitions, morality and ethics on a document written in the late 18th Century. The wording is very precise and the meaning is very clear if you interpret it using contemporary context. Even they understood that attitudes would change over time. That's why God created amendments.

we observe major technological advancements every day.....we now imagine the unimaginable and then watch it happen.
in the days of the convention change was very slow........they did not and could not anticipate the issues that would develop over wording meant for a context now ancient history.....in some situations we have to look at the theme and sentiment but not literal wording ....that is why interpretation in accordance with modern life must be made sometimes.......the words are words of men...not infallible........some things require amendments but if congress refuses to act then courts must do right by society and make proper interpretations....sometimes the Court is forced to legislate when congress has abdicated their responsibility.

The court should NEVER legislate. That is outside of their powers. That is very, very dangerous. We have a balance of powers for a reason.