Diagnostics for Leadoff Hitters II Topic

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This is the offer, nuke. I'll keep track of the 14k strikeout games if you like. How much?
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008

I'm saying if a team strikes out 14 times in a game that they will score less than the league average. I picked 14 because it's more than 50% of the outs made.
Are you willing to accept this bet?
2/20/2008 9:06 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by _nuke_ on 2/20/2008Mike, I said I'd gladly accept your wager with a couple conditions:

- You do the work
- You track ALL the K's and ALL the runs scored of ALL games.

Then, if there is evidence that teams score more runs overall when they strikeout less, you win.


2/20/2008 9:11 PM
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I don't see why these conditions are a problem.

You track ALL the K's and ALL the runs scored of ALL games.

Then, if there is evidence that teams score more runs overall when they strikeout less, you win.

$50- paypal.
2/20/2008 9:11 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By examinerebb on 2/20/2008
Aren't we overlooking the fact that this thread is a diagnostic for leadoff hitters? The reason there's no overall correlation between Ks and runs is that the players who strikeout the most are also the players who hit a sh*tpile of homeruns. For a guy with little power who relies on speed (read: leadoff hitter), strikeouts would severely cut into his productivity. Little chance to reach base via an error, no chance to reach base via an infield hit, etc.
Yeah, we'd all rather have more hits. Thanks for your very valuable input at this late stage.
2/20/2008 9:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By bosoxbill on 2/20/2008

If putting the ball in play for an out helps you score runs, that should hold up across the board, right?
I'm offering you the chance to bet that there's a correlation between Ks and Runs Scored.
Seems fair. Except you don't seem to care for it. Because you know you're wrong.
Good day.
Why won't you accept the across-the-board offer, mikey?

Putting the ball in play helps ALL THE TIME, right? As opposed to striking out?

Putting the ball in play is going to work out better long term, right?

Isn't that what you believe? Oh, no, of course it isn't. Or you'd accept the bet.
2/20/2008 9:21 PM
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Mike, feel free to answer my question:

Is your argument that teams who strikeout less score more runs?

2/20/2008 9:41 PM
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_tard_ and Bo'tardbill are insane.
2/21/2008 12:18 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/20/2008I don't see why these conditions are a problem.

You track ALL the K's and ALL the runs scored of ALL games.

Then, if there is evidence that teams score more runs overall when they strikeout less, you win.

$50- paypal


I have no intention on tracking every game for $50. If outs are outs, it shouldn't matter. So, if half the outs are made by whiffing, the effect shouldn't be noticable. Accept the bet or admit you know that teams who whiff 14 times a game do not score the league average.
2/21/2008 5:44 AM
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A new day, and still the idea that mikey thinks something can be proved by showing that run scoring is down against awesome pitchers is worth a good laugh.
2/21/2008 9:53 AM
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So "awesome" pitchers only come in the form of strikeout pitchers?
You're ridiculous. Admit it and move on.
2/21/2008 9:55 AM
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Well under league ERA, well under league K9.
2/21/2008 9:57 AM
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You can also point to pitchers with great K rates that had horrible ERAs. The corrolation isn't in K rate as much as it is in the control ratio. It's much harder to find guys that had a 3/1 K/BB ratio that weren't successful over the long haul. They exist I'm sure, but at a far smaller scale.
2/21/2008 10:00 AM
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Teams that strikeout 14 times or more in one game(regardless of how many pitchers are used) will not score the league average. Teams that strikeout 13 times or less in one game(regardless of how many pitchers are used) will score more than the league average.
I'm willing to bet on this. Are there any takers?
2/21/2008 10:03 AM
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It's only an interesting bet if it's 14 vs 13, not 14 vs 13 and under.
2/21/2008 10:07 AM
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Mike, answer my question and I'll take your bet.
Are you arguing that teams that strikeout less score more runs?
2/21/2008 10:15 AM
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