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MikeT23
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Ask a neighbor.
7/21/2009 5:14 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 7/21/2009Ask a neighbor
Suppose he doesn't want to get kicked in the nuts?
7/21/2009 5:18 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 7/21/2009on the page where you can change player positons, you might note the words above those ratings guideline that say "Big League Average" ... note that it does NOT say "Minimum Acceptable Rating
Newbie asks: Where is that stinking page? Is it only available during the offseason? I've been fiddling around trying to find it so I can make sense of this discussion but am helpless.
7/21/2009 5:21 PM
kermit
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Go to the GM page and click on the position link for any player.
7/21/2009 5:24 PM
kari2you
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Thanks. No wonder my defense sucks.
7/21/2009 5:37 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by kari2you on 7/21/2009
Thanks. No wonder my defense sucks.

You'd be surprised how many veteran players are unaware of this, as well. It's one of the single-most important things you can do to help your team get better.
7/21/2009 5:42 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by kermit on 7/21/2009Go to the GM page and click on the position link for any player.

You can also get to them from the Player Settings page.
7/21/2009 5:57 PM
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am I the only one that stopped bothering to change the position for each player? I realized that it is only listed for reference and that the ratings are the only thing that mattered.
7/22/2009 7:34 PM
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Sometimes I change it for my benefit only. So a listed 2B who throws LH I make into a CF so i won't forget. I have in the past.
7/23/2009 12:27 AM
zbrent716
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Quote: Originally Posted By bigal888 on 7/22/2009am I the only one that stopped bothering to change the position for each player? I realized that it is only listed for reference and that the ratings are the only thing that mattered
I believe - unless it has changed recently - that the secondary positions may also be used if you do not have rest/defensive sub hierarchies completely filled and one of your starters leaves game (injured, ejected, etc.).

In that case, the lesser defensive player with CF listed as a secondary position will be brought in before the better defensive player without CF listed.
7/23/2009 1:02 AM
mitchrapp
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I think that's right, or it was at one point.
7/23/2009 2:37 AM
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So I realize that anytime anyone suggests there is something wrong with HBD a samll but fanatical group rise up to deploy their verbal suicide bombs against anyone proposing change. For the record...

1 There are far to few SSs of HBD standards in the game.

2 The SSs in the game are commiting far to many errors.

3 This does not seem to be user error as much as a systemic issue.
7/27/2009 1:29 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/27/2009

So I realize that anytime anyone suggests there is something wrong with HBD a samll but fanatical group rise up to deploy their verbal suicide bombs against anyone proposing change. For the record...

1 There are far to few SSs of HBD standards in the game.

2 The SSs in the game are commiting far to many errors.

3 This does not seem to be user error as much as a systemic issue.




Sometimes i really wonder whether basic economics and statistics should be mandatory requirements for playing this game... it'd really make people understand whats involved... and reduce the number of pointless threads.

In summary.

1. GG SS's are rare, hence they have value, if you want one that can hit, either draft one, or trade for one, if you're not willing to pay the price in trade then tough luck, thats your decision. It's called supply and demand, the demand for a fixed supply sets the price.

2. See point 1. In addition, pay for a decent coaches, again if you have a meagre coaching budget because you're spending it on other things tough, thats your decision, its called opportunity cost.

3. There are at least 10-15 ML fielding quality SSs in any draft, not to mention any Int'ls, with various levels of hitting ability. There are plenty to go around... Therefore See point 1 and point 2.
7/27/2009 4:42 AM
carnivore
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Quote: Originally Posted By mitchrapp on 7/23/2009
Sometimes I change it for my benefit only. So a listed 2B who throws LH I make into a CF so i won't forget. I have in the past.
The only way that you'll ever see a LH 2B is if you or a previous owner had previously changed his position to 2B against Sparky's recommendations.

In fact, handedness apprears to be the major determining factor for Sparky to differentiate between 2Bs and CFs: Given the same minimum ratings, a LH fielder will always be designated a CF; a RH will always be designated a 2B. Check it out: Just like there are no LH fielding 2Bs in the Amateur Draft, there also aren't any RH fielding CFs.
7/27/2009 6:36 AM
carnivore
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/27/2009
So I realize that anytime anyone suggests there is something wrong with HBD a samll but fanatical group rise up to deploy their verbal suicide bombs against anyone proposing change. For the record...

1 There are far to few SSs of HBD standards in the game.

2 The SSs in the game are commiting far to many errors.

3 This does not seem to be user error as much as a systemic issue.

1. HBD states that the big league averages are 80/85/85/85. What you apparently fail to understand is that any SS that you find with at least 80/85/85/85 ratings will be by definition above average as soon as he has at least one rating greater than the stated averages. IOW: a shortstop with 85/80/80/90 ratings may have some below average component ratings, but on the whole he will approximate a big league average shortstop. He may have slightly more errors on slightly more chances than average, but on the whole, he'll give you roughly average performance.

OTOH a shortstop that meets or exceeds all of the average ratings, for example 82/85/85/85, will probably over time be slighlty better than average. For purposes of finding the number of average or better shortstops in a world, it'd probably be more indicative to find how many have combined ratings of at least 335 (80+85+85+85). As a rule of thumb, you'll find that just about any SS that has at least 80s across the board is pretty darn close to average.

2. Nope. Given the stated definitions it seems pretty accurate to me.

3. It's all about the user. I've got 4 teams and without too much emphasis or thought about this issue, I've got at least 2 SSs in each organization with above average ratings across the board. I've also got at least 2 more in each organization with at least 80 across tha board. IOW, in every organization I have at least 4 ML quality fielding SSs. If anything, that may be too much. And yes, most of them can't hit their way out of a paper bag - but that's true in real life as well. How many prime of career ARods should there be in your league?
7/27/2009 7:00 AM
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