On the plus side, I have a chance of winning the NFL Network Top 100 Players fantasy draft I was in. Four guys picked six players. You get 20 points for the top player, 19 for second, all the way to one point for the 20th guy on the list. It's between me and one other guy. But I have three of the top ten, and just had Anthony Munoz at 12. I think one other guy has three left overall.

That's just my logic. Sayers should definitely have been higher. Eric Dickerson had an argument to be ahead of some of the guys over him, too. I don't know if they made that definition prior to asking people for their ratings of everyone.

Aaron Schatz at Football Outsider's said they got a list of like 120 guys and asked the person to score each player 1-10. Left room for some write-ins. This just seems like such a poor way to gather results to me. It'll overvalue recent players and doesn't contextualize accomplishments. You're not ranking players within their positions.

I would have been tempted to have people go 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 ranking the top ten at each position and gone zero for everyone available that didn't make that cut. If someone like Peter King could give a 10 to every player he wishes he could give the rub and tug to, then there'd be a dozen modern quarterbacks with perfect scores. Not allowing them to repeat a score would have them effectively rank players, and try to take into account their historical significance.

Like any publicized list, the point is not to be accurate, but to generate debate.

Peyton Manning is probably justifiable in the top ten. The way he mindfucks defenses and just controls the game is unreal.

Posted by antonsirius on 11/1/2010 10:45:00 PM (view original):
Like any publicized list, the point is not to be accurate, but to generate debate.

To counter-point, I believe we should make a list of the ten shittiest lists of all-time.

Being a Knoxville boy I can't be objective about Peyton.

I honestly have no desire to teach tomorrow. But I think once I get through Thursday, I'll only have like one or two days of real work in the next three weeks. So that'll be nice.

Terrell Davis anyone? how does Earl Campbell make the list but not TD?

Favre has 9 30+ TD pass seasons - that alone puts him in the top 40 - what he did last year at age 40 was better than most in their prime

and no Antonio Gates?, yet Ozzie effin Newsome makes the list?

and Warren Sapp was every bit as dominant as Randy White

I used to dislike him personally because he was good. Now I just find myself respecting him more and more each game. I think my sentiment was borne of preferring underdogs and not really seeing him play as much. But being an adult and having a work schedule conducive to watching football probably has been the difference.

The Brady/Manning debate shouldn't exist. They never actually played on the field at the same time. Brady faced a standard cover two defense, one which had mostly been subpar. Manning faced Belichick and probably a better defense, one which created more of a challenge to a quarterback. Manning does all the playcalling for the Colts, and Brady has had someone else in his headset calling the plays. If you switched their places, the Colts wouldn't have had so many successful seasons, and might not even have the one championship they currenlty have had. But Manning on the Patriots would have probably won just as many as Brady had, if not more.

having Red Grange, Jim Thorpe, Bronco Nagurski, etc so far up the list is a joke - as much as i love the romanticism of the early years of football - it was a total buttfuck - same with Don Hutson - just because GB was one of the first to buy into the forward pass doesnt make him one of the greatest - just about everyone else from his era suffered injuries that severely hampered their careers, so he stayed healthy, that doesnt mean he was great

petarded

Posted by tracyr on 11/1/2010 10:49:00 PM (view original):
Terrell Davis anyone? how does Earl Campbell make the list but not TD?

How does Jonathan Ogden make the list but not Orlando Pace?

I agree about Gates more than Davis, but I get your point. Did Roger Craig even make the list? I honestly think he might have been more valuable on some of those 49ers teams than Jerry Rice was.

i personally would pick Manning over any other QB for 1 single game (all other things in the game being equal) - probably Montana second - Brady would not be in my top 10